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Ashcroft Just Resigned, It's A Great Day For America
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Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the resignation of John Ashcroft as Attorney General and the subsequent reactions from participants. It touches on political sentiments, potential replacements, and broader implications for civil liberties and governance. The conversation includes expressions of joy, speculation about future appointments, and reflections on the political landscape.
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants express excitement about Ashcroft's resignation, viewing it as a positive change for America.
- Others question the potential for a worse replacement, specifically mentioning Alberto Gonzales and his past associations.
- A few participants speculate on which amendments might be preserved under a new Attorney General, with varying opinions on Gonzales' views.
- There are mixed feelings about Gonzales, with some noting his moderate views and others highlighting his controversial legal advice regarding the Geneva Convention.
- Participants share personal anecdotes and humor, reflecting on the emotional responses to political changes.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants generally agree on the sentiment that Ashcroft's resignation is a cause for celebration, but there is significant disagreement regarding the implications of his replacement and the potential for future policies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness and direction of Gonzales as Attorney General.
Contextual Notes
Some participants reference historical contexts and personal feelings, which may influence their perspectives. There are unresolved concerns about the implications of Gonzales' appointment and the future of civil liberties.
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Gokul43201
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Don Evans too...yippee !
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wasteofo2 said:
Quoted for emPHAsis.
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Mercator
Who says there is no worse than these two?
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Mercator said:
Point. but there are better.
i will not miss ashcroft. Not in any way, shape, or form. Good riddance.
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Stop raining on my parade.Mercator said:
Imagine you're in London around '42, and the shelling's just stopped for the night. You're not going to say "well, who knows, maybe they ran out of the small bombs", you're going to celebrate and be merry!
Even if Bush appoints someone as bad as, or worse than Ashcroft, there will still be a precious few hours, or maybe even days, where our Constitution isn't being erroded by the attorney general, and I'm willing to cherish those hours or days.
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wasteofo2 said:
A few days of pure joy.
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Anyone want to put wagers on which will be the only Amendment(s) that Ashcroft's replacement doesn't trash?
I'm going to bet he leaves #2 alone, and he might keep the one that ended prohibition, but other than that, I dunno...
I'm going to bet he leaves #2 alone, and he might keep the one that ended prohibition, but other than that, I dunno...
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Waste, I think it is better to prepare for the big bombs. Specially if you know that the bomber just got permission to do as he pleases!
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Lemme have fun just for tonight. I'll sober up tomorrow and build a bigger shelter.Mercator said:
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wasteofo2 said:
Yeah, i aws going to say the one that ended prohibition.
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wasteofo2 said:
OK - maybe the Ashcroft as a 'future Supreme Court nominee thread' - can wait for tomorrow.
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Tigers2B1 said:
OK now even i want to move to Canada.
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Franz even you will be welcomed in Canada.
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Smurf said:
I have relatives there. They're great. Winnipeg is a bit cold for my tastes though.
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Good, means your still human
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I don't know if I'd go that far! 
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Tsunami said:I don't know if I'd go that far!
Me neither.
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I just read on somebody's post at Slashdot that Ashcroft is resigning to prepare himself for the Supreme Court. What's the deal?
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The_Professional said:
Maybe Winnipeg isn't that cold.
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And I am between tears and laughter 
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I was joshing about Ashcroft. The Republicans don't have the numbers to block a Democratic filibuster, and if Ashcroft was nominated we'd see one of those until 2008.
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Gonzales ? Brilliant ! Not that I know a whole bunch about Gonzales ...but I don't sense a drastic change in the direction that DoJ will be headed.
Any idea who's replacing Evans ? Another "buddy" perhaps ?
Any idea who's replacing Evans ? Another "buddy" perhaps ?
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You'd like to think that wouldn't you. but your wrong, it'll be someone very capable that is in no way assossiated with Religion and Exxon.
Honest.
Honest.
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Wait...you forgot to include Enron!
(Gonzales was a legal counsellor for Enron.)
(Gonzales was a legal counsellor for Enron.)
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Wasteof O2, di you have a good party? Slept well? Hangover cured? So here's one word for you: Gonzales!
The good part: he still has to prove that he's worse than Ashcroft.
BTW: why do you still need Gonzales, as Ashcroft has stated that the goal of making Americans safe has been accomplished?
The good part: he still has to prove that he's worse than Ashcroft.
BTW: why do you still need Gonzales, as Ashcroft has stated that the goal of making Americans safe has been accomplished?
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Mercator said:
Waste is not old enough to be wasted !
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Mercator said:
I originally thought "Great, an ol' buddy of Bush's".
Then I read a bit about him and have mixed feelings (as opposed to all negative feelings).
I read on CNN that his moderate views upset some more hardline republicans, and that as a member of Texas's supreme court, he ruled that there were some circumstances where teenage girls getting an abortion don't need to tell their parents, and defended it by saying that while he DISAGREED with the ruling he handed down, it wasn't his place to interject his opinion into his rulings, just do as the law specifies.
That, and I read a quote from Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont (the guy cheney told to fuk himself), saying that he respected Gonzales, and his taking Ashcroft's spot would be a welcome change in the least accountable Justice Department he's ever seen.
BUUUUUUUUUT, he also advised Bush to declare that the geneva convention didn't apply to suspected Al Qaeda members, or else Bush would be accountable for war crimes.
I was so hoping for Eliot Spitzer to get to be Attorney General, I guess the best we can hope for along the lines of Bi-Partisanship from Bush is someone who thinks the geneva convention is a quaint document.