Astroid Toutatis year 2012 has effects on Earth and moon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential physical effects of the asteroid Toutatis passing between the Earth and the Moon on December 12, 2012. Participants explore various scenarios regarding its trajectory, gravitational interactions, and possible impacts on Earth and the Moon, including tidal effects and temperature changes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the physical possibilities if Toutatis crosses between the Earth and Moon, considering scenarios of gravitational capture or effects on tides and temperature.
  • Another participant asserts that the asteroid has too much energy to be captured by Earth's gravity and would continue on its orbit, emphasizing that its mass is too small to affect tides.
  • A participant provides the mass of Toutatis for context, comparing it to the mass of the Moon.
  • It is noted that at closest approach, Toutatis would be more than 4 million miles away, significantly farther than the Moon, and that it had previously passed closer without incident.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the sensationalism surrounding the date 12/12/12 and the potential for disaster numerology.
  • Humorous remarks are made regarding future dates like 13/13/13 and past dates like 6/6/06, reflecting on public reactions to such events.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express skepticism about the asteroid having significant effects on Earth or the Moon, with some agreeing on the improbability of disaster scenarios. However, there is no consensus on the broader implications of such events or the public's reaction to them.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on the asteroid's trajectory and gravitational interactions with other celestial bodies, such as Jupiter, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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What are the physical possiblities if the ,astroid Toutatis , crosses directly between the moon and Earth on December 12th 2012. I understand that this is a fairly large astroid and is projected to zoom near Earth somewhere in the range of the distance between Earth and the moon. What are the possible scenarios if Toutatis was to pass directly between the Earth and moon on that particular day. Could it get caught in Earths orbit and possibly sling shot back around and hit us or the moon and/or could it effect any of the oceans tides or Earth's temperature. Are there any possible physical effects that this could have on the Earth or moon or would it simply pass through our orbits and have no effect what so ever. I have thought about this for a couple of years now and finally I have people much more intelligent than myself to ask and maybe enlighten me on this subject. I apreciate any and all replies. Thank you very much.
 
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Hi RT4765! Welcome to PF! :smile:

No, it has far too much energy … it will just keep going.

Remember, the Earth has no "sucky-power", so whatever the asteroid does, it will follow an orbit.

The only way the asteroid can crash is if that orbit happens to go through the Earth (plus atmosphere).

that will depend not on us, but on what happens when it goes near Jupiter.

(and the mass of the asteroid is way too small to affect the tides etc)
 
For some comparison, the mass of the asteroid is [tex]~5 x 10^{13}[/tex]kg. The moon is [tex]~ 7.3x10^{22}[/tex]kg.
 
It's perhaps worth noting that a) at closest approach, 4179 Toutatis will still be more than 4 million miles away (the moon is about 20 times closer) and b) it was much closer on September 29, 2004 and nothing bad happened.
 
I fear that we're going to get a lot more of this astronomical-disaster numerology (12/12/12) cropping up.
 
turbo-1,

You got that right. Wait until the movie is out. Then it will spread like a virus.

Thanks
Matt
 
Just wait until 13/13/13. :biggrin:
 
Pengwuino said:
For some comparison, the mass of the asteroid is [tex]~5 x 10^{13}[/tex]kg. The moon is [tex]~ 7.3x10^{22}[/tex]kg.

And to paint a picture of just how big a difference this is, it is like comparing 1 ounce of water to the water in 40 Olympic-sized swimming pools.
 
Janus said:
And to paint a picture of just how big a difference this is, it is like comparing 1 ounce of water to the water in 40 Olympic-sized swimming pools.
Or about the concentration of the "active" ingredient in a "powerful" homeopathic solution. Vanishingly small numbers.
 
  • #10
Duck!

Homeopathic asteroids can still kill you … if you believe in them! :biggrin:
 
  • #11
Astronuc said:
Just wait until 13/13/13. :biggrin:
If a conspiracy theory starts about that, I'm blaming you!
 
  • #12
LOL. 13/13/13 ... I can only imagine.

Thanks
Matt
 
  • #13
CFDFEAGURU said:
LOL. 13/13/13 ... I can only imagine.

Thanks
Matt
Lets see, if we stopped correcting now with leap days, how long until we need to add an intercalendrial month? 28 days for the new month times 4 years/day. Just a little over a century and we can add month 13 (Astron-ember).
 
  • #14
Does anyone remember how the world almost ended on 6/6/06?

Thanks
Matt
 
  • #15


Thank you for your answere. You made it very understandable for me.
 

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