Astronaut Farmer: Can You Build a Rocket?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of civilians building rockets and achieving space travel, inspired by a film depicting a character who constructs his own rocket. Participants explore the technical, financial, and safety challenges associated with such endeavors, as well as the potential for future advancements in personal space travel.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that building an airtight capsule and launching a rocket is relatively easy, while emphasizing the dangers involved in the process.
  • Others argue that the financial requirements for safe rocket construction and launch are prohibitively high, estimating costs in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
  • A participant mentions a civilian in Oregon who has successfully built a one-man rocket using hydrogen peroxide as fuel, indicating that such endeavors are possible at a smaller scale.
  • Concerns are raised about the realism of civilians achieving sub-orbital or orbital flights without significant financial backing, referencing the costs associated with past projects like SpaceShipOne.
  • Some participants speculate on the future of personal space travel, suggesting that technological advancements may make it feasible for more than just the wealthy or government entities within the next century.
  • There are discussions about the dangers and skills required for producing high-grade hydrogen peroxide, with differing views on the complexity of the process.
  • Comparisons are made between historical access to technology and the current state of space travel, with some arguing that just as cars became accessible to the middle class, so too might space travel in the future.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the feasibility of civilians building rockets or the timeline for personal space travel becoming accessible. Some believe it is possible in the future, while others maintain that significant financial and technical barriers remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding costs, technological advancements, and safety concerns, with some discussions remaining unresolved about the feasibility of personal space travel and the necessary resources.

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It is a film sort of Disney ish ,that does not quite come up to the mark, the thing is this guy builds his own rocket, well two, the first sort of goes haywire, but his second attempt to get into orbit is a success , so how difficult would it be to build an air tight capsule sat on a volume of fuel?
 
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It's relatively easy. The hard part is not to blow up before launch, 10 feet off the ground, or having your air tight capsule taking a nose dive on your neighbor's house.
 
there's a civilian in Oregon, who'se doing it, he has a complete, one-man, rocket, its all ready, with launch pad. If I remember right, he's using hydrogen peroxide for the fuel. He's quite ingenius and is even producing his own his grade hydrogen peroxide(distilling from(i think) 30%)
 
Doing it right(safely) requires at least a hundred million dollars. I just put that movie on my netflix list, but no, it isn't realistic to believe a civilian can do that. Not even a sub-orbital flight. I'm sure you've all heard the old joke -- but going into orbit relaly is rocket science.

SpaceShipOne won the X-prize of $10 million, but cost $20 million -- and it came nowhere close to achieving orbit (half the altitude, 1/8th the speed - overall, 1/60th the energy according to wik).
 
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russ_watters said:
Not even a sub-orbital flight.
Ehh, well, I should say obviously a filthy rich civilian like Paul Allen can do a suborbital flight - he funded the winning x-prize team. But not an ordinary farmer.
 
I'll give it less than a hundred years--100 years ago only the rich could afford cars, nice telescopes, and refrigerators--and taking pleasure trips
 
binzing said:
He's quite ingenius and is even producing his own his grade hydrogen peroxide(distilling from(i think) 30%)
Well, I don't think that is that tough.
 
rewebster said:
I'll give it less than a hundred years--100 years ago only the rich could afford cars, nice telescopes, and refrigerators--and taking pleasure trips
A hundred years ago, a car didn't cost a hundred million dollars. You're still off by a few orders of magnitude and comparing the rich to the middle class instead of the rich to the government. A better comparison would be to say that a hundred years ago, only the government could afford battleships -- and that's still how it is today.
 
No, the distillation isn't that tough, but its dangerous and requires skill.
 
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russ_watters said:
A hundred years ago, a car didn't cost a hundred million dollars. You're still off by a few orders of magnitude and comparing the rich to the middle class instead of the rich to the government. A better comparison would be to say that a hundred years ago, only the government could afford battleships -- and that's still how it is today.


I don't think that personal 'space travel' is that far fetched in 100 years (or less)--or will be only for the very rich or just governments. I really wasn't thinking just about the cost but the technological acceleration that would make it feasible--and who knows, maybe scientific discoveries from new theories may make it happen in 50 to 75 years.

"Originally priced at US$159,000, the UNIVAC I rose in price until they were between $1,250,000 and $1,500,000."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIVAC_I

and I wonder what the 'cost' is for a similar calculating capability output is today?
 
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