Asymptotic properties of Hydrogen atom wave function

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The discussion revolves around the asymptotic properties of the wave function of the Hydrogen atom, specifically focusing on the behavior of the wave function as the radial coordinate approaches zero. Participants explore the derivation of Schrödinger's equation in this context and the implications for the Hermiticity of the Hamiltonian operator.

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  • One participant presents a version of Schrödinger's equation for the Hydrogen atom and questions the dominance of terms in the Hamiltonian as the radial coordinate approaches zero.
  • Another participant suggests that the technique of examining the magnitudes of terms in differential equations is standard for deriving approximate solutions in specific regions.
  • A later reply clarifies that as r approaches zero, the first two terms in the equation have equal magnitude and dominate the others, which justifies their retention in the analysis.
  • One participant raises a supplementary question regarding constraints on the wave function for the Hamiltonian to be Hermitian, referencing Shankar's text and seeking clarification on the meaning of a constant limit as r approaches zero.
  • There is uncertainty about the interpretation of Shankar's statement regarding the constant limit and how it relates to the derived condition for Hermiticity.

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Participants express differing views on the dominance of terms in the Hamiltonian and the interpretation of conditions for Hermiticity, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is unresolved.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of the wave function near r = 0 and the implications for the Hamiltonian's properties, which may depend on specific definitions and interpretations that are not fully resolved.

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I am working through an explanation of the wave function of the Hydrogen atom.

I have got as far as deriving the version of Schrödinger's equation for the one-dimensional problem in which only the radial coordinate can vary:

##[-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial^2 r}+\frac{\hbar^2 l (l+1)}{2mr^2}+V(r)]U_{El}(r)=EU_{El}(r)##

It is assumed that ##V(r)=-\frac{e^2}{r}##.

The presentation I am working through says:

'Find the asymptotic behavior of ##U_{El}(r)## as ##r\rightarrow 0##...
Solution: At ##r\rightarrow 0##, the first and second terms in the Hamiltonian will dominate, so [the above equation] becomes:

##\frac{\partial^2}{\partial^2 r}U_{El}(r)=\frac{l(l+1)}{r^2}EU_{El}(r)##'

I don't see why this follows. Certainly the second term in the square brackets will dominate the third term, which is only divided by ##r##, not ##r^2##, and the right-hand side of the equation, but why would it not also dominate the first term, which is not divided by ##r## at all?

Is it possible to derive the second equation above in a more convincing way?

Thank you.
 
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Suppose it did not exist, you'd have a static thing (U would be constant or something).

The derivative will give you how things change...
 
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This is a standard technique in differential equations. To derive an approximate solution valid in a particular region (r → 0 in this case), assume a general form for the solution. Examine the magnitudes of each term in the equation, and keep only the leading ones.

So we assume u ~ rn and compare magnitudes of the four terms:

u'' ~ rn-2
u/r2 ~ rn-2
u/r ~ rn-1
Eu ~ rn

As r → 0, the first two terms have equal magnitude and dominate the others, so those are the ones we keep.

One could ask instead for an approximate solution for r → ∞. In that case, assume u ~ e-ar. Plugging it in, you'll find that the first and fourth terms dominate the others.
 
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Thank you very much. That has completely cleared it up for me.

If I may, I would like to ask a supplementary question on the same topic area, although this time from a different text - Shankar.

Shankar (p341-2 of 2nd edition of 'Principles of Quantum Mechanics') discusses what constraints must be placed on ##U_{El}## in order for the Hamiltonian operator (part in square brackets in 1st equation - which he abbreviates to ##D_l(r)##) to be Hermitian with respect to U, ie for ##<D_l(r)U_{El}|=<U_{El}|D_l(r)## to hold.

He derives an equivalent condition that, for any two functions ##U_1## and ##U_2## obeying these constraints, we must have:

##[U_1^*\frac{dU_2}{dr}-U_2\frac{dU_1^*}{dr}]_0=0## [12.6.9]

He then states that 'this condition is satisfied if ##lim_{r\rightarrow 0}U=c## where '##c## is constant'.

I don't understand what this statement means - constant with respect to what? Obviously it is constant with respect to r, because it is a limit at a particular value of r, so that can't be his meaning. He might mean constant with respect to time but, given that we are talking about eigenvectors of the time-independent Schrödinger equation, the time dimension doesn't seem relevant. The only other interpretation I can think of is that he means:

##\exists c## such that ##\forall U: lim_{r\rightarrow 0}U(r)=c##.

But if that's what he means, I can't see how he proves that the above condition 12.6.9 follows from it.

Can anybody suggest what Shankar might be trying to say here, and how it can be proven?

Thank you very much.
 

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