Asymptotica behaviour of an estimator

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The discussion revolves around determining whether a specific estimator for the expectation of a Poisson distribution is asymptotically biased or unbiased. Participants explore the mathematical properties of the estimator and its behavior as the sample size increases, focusing on algebraic manipulations and expectations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the estimator as ( \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{\sqrt{y}}{n})^2 and expresses uncertainty about how to analyze it.
  • Several participants note the lack of definition for the variable y, suggesting it should have a subscript and clarifying that y represents an iid random variable.
  • One participant proposes an inequality involving the estimator, indicating that it is a thought rather than a definitive hint, and expresses uncertainty about how this might aid in solving the problem.
  • Another participant suggests establishing an upper bound for the estimator to analyze its behavior further.
  • Multiple participants discuss the potential to multiply out the expression to find the expectation of the estimator, questioning the expectation of \sqrt{y_i} as a critical point in the analysis.
  • A participant shares their solution and invites corrections, indicating a potential oversight in their calculations related to the factor of n.
  • Another participant points out a missing factor in the last line of the shared solution and suggests that the estimator can be expressed in terms of expectations, leading to a question about whether E[\sqrt{Y}] equals \sqrt{\lambda}.

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Participants express various viewpoints and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on the asymptotic behavior of the estimator or the correctness of the proposed solutions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing ideas and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the assumptions regarding the estimator or the properties of the random variable y. There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to the expectations involved.

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I have to determine if the estimator for Poisson distrubtion expectation \lambda_1 is asymptotically biased or unbiased.

The estimator is ( \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{\sqrt{y}}{n})^2

It's easy to do the algebra and show that the mean is asymptotically unbiased. I am not sure how to start with the estimator presented above.

Any suggestions and hints will be much appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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You haven't defined what y is. Should it have a subscript?
 
Stephen Tashi said:
You haven't defined what y is. Should it have a subscript?

Hi!

y should have a subscript. Y is a iid random variable
 
I'll assume each y_i is a non-negative sample. One thought is:

( \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{\sqrt{y_i}}{n})^2= (\sum_{i=1}^n \sqrt{ \frac{y_i} {n^2}})^2 \geq \sum_{i=1}^n (\sqrt{ \frac{ y_i }{n^2} })^2 = \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{y_i}{n^2}

This is a "thought", not a "hint" because I haven't worked the problem.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
I'll assume each y_i is a non-negative sample. One thought is:

( \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{\sqrt{y_i}}{n})^2= (\sum_{i=1}^n \sqrt{ \frac{y_i} {n^2}})^2 \geq \sum_{i=1}^n (\sqrt{ \frac{ y_i }{n^2} })^2 = \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{y_i}{n^2}

This is a "thought", not a "hint" because I haven't worked the problem.

Thanks for your thoughts on this problem. I can't see how this inequality could help me to solve the problem. If I take the expectation of the lower bound I will get \frac{\lambda}{n}. But that's a lower bound and the value of the estimator could be greater than \frac{\lambda}{n}. It could be \lambda
 
Perhaps we could set up inequality for upper bound and show that the estimator could not be greater of the upper bound. What could the upper bound be? :)
 
It might work to multiply out the expression ( \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{\sqrt{y_i}}{n})^2 [/itex] since the expectation of each term involving the product of independent random samples is just the product of the expectations. All terms have the same expectation. How many of them are there? <br /> <br /> I suppose the critical question will be &quot;What is the expectation of \sqrt{y_i} ?&quot;.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
It might work to multiply out the expression ( \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{\sqrt{y_i}}{n})^2 [/itex] since the expectation of each term involving the product of independent random samples is just the product of the expectations. All terms have the same expectation. How many of them are there? <br /> <br /> I suppose the critical question will be &quot;What is the expectation of \sqrt{y_i} ?&quot;.
<br /> <br /> Thanks for your thoughts. Here is my solution. Correct me if it&#039;s wrong, please.<br /> <br /> http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4955/exerc.jpg
 
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_joey said:
Thanks for your thoughts. Here is my solution. Correct me if it's wrong, please.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4955/exerc.jpg

No there's a factor of n missing in the last line. However the estimator can be reduced to
<br /> E[\hat{\lambda}_2] = \frac{n-1}{n}E[\sqrt{Y}]^2 + \frac{1}{n}E[Y]<br />
so we just need to determine if E[\sqrt{Y}]=\sqrt{\lambda}.
 
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