At what point is the system in equilibrium?

In summary, the conversation discusses the placement of a proton between two fixed particles with opposite charges. The solution is to place the proton at a point to the right of the -2q charge, and the distance between the proton and the -2q charge should be 2L, where L is the distance between the two fixed particles. The two methods used to solve the problem result in the same answer, but the second method measures the distance from the -2q charge instead of the origin.
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Homework Statement


This is more of a math question but:

There are two particles fixed in place: a particle of charge +8q at the origin and a particle of charge -2q
at x=L. At what point (other than infinitely far away) can a proton be placed so that it is in equilibrium

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The Attempt at a Solution


The point should be at the right of the -2q charge, so it is farther away from the charge +8q.

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diagram:
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that was the answer, but would it be possible to use

8q / (L+x)2 = 2q / (x)2

where L is the distance between the charges 8q and -2q.

I get x = L using this set up instead.

what went wrong? Shouldn't I get the same answer?
 
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catch22 said:
that was the answer, but would it be possible to use

8q / (L+x)2 = 2q / (x)2

where L is the distance between the charges 8q and -2q.

I get x = L using this set up instead.

what went wrong? Shouldn't I get the same answer?
The answers are the same! Realize that in the second approach you are measuring x from the second charge, not the origin.
 
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Doc Al said:
The answers are the same! Realize that in the second approach you are measuring x from the second charge, not the origin.
Ah, so the point is L away from the -2q and 2L away from the origin.
 
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catch22 said:
Ah, so the point is L away from the -2q and 2L away from the origin.
Exactly. What's confusing you is that in the second method, "x" stands for "unknown", not the x-coordinate of the final location. You'll have to translate to that to report your answer, if you want them to match.
 
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1. What is meant by equilibrium in a system?

Equilibrium in a system refers to a state in which all opposing forces or factors are balanced and there is no net change or movement in the system.

2. How is equilibrium achieved in a system?

Equilibrium is achieved when the rate of forward reaction is equal to the rate of reverse reaction in a chemical system, or when the forces acting on a physical system are in balance.

3. Can a system be in equilibrium if there is still movement or change?

Yes, a system can be in dynamic equilibrium where there is still movement or change, but the overall system remains constant due to opposing forces being in balance.

4. How can one determine if a system is in equilibrium?

A system is considered to be in equilibrium if there is no observable change in the system over a period of time, and the concentrations or properties of the system remain constant.

5. What factors can disrupt or shift a system away from equilibrium?

Changes in temperature, pressure, or concentration of reactants or products can disrupt the equilibrium of a system and cause a shift towards either the forward or reverse reaction. Additionally, the addition or removal of substances can also shift the equilibrium of a system.

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