At what point is the system in equilibrium?

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The discussion revolves around determining the point of equilibrium for a proton placed between two fixed charges: a charge of +8q at the origin and a charge of -2q at x=L. Participants are exploring the conditions under which the proton can be in equilibrium due to the forces exerted by these charges.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss different mathematical setups to find the equilibrium point, questioning the validity of their approaches and the interpretation of variables used in their equations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the two approaches to the problem. Some participants have noted that while the answers appear to be the same, the interpretation of the variable "x" differs depending on the reference point used for measurement.

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Participants are navigating the implications of measuring distances from different reference points, which may lead to confusion in their calculations and interpretations of the equilibrium position.

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Homework Statement


This is more of a math question but:

There are two particles fixed in place: a particle of charge +8q at the origin and a particle of charge -2q
at x=L. At what point (other than infinitely far away) can a proton be placed so that it is in equilibrium

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The point should be at the right of the -2q charge, so it is farther away from the charge +8q.

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diagram:
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that was the answer, but would it be possible to use

8q / (L+x)2 = 2q / (x)2

where L is the distance between the charges 8q and -2q.

I get x = L using this set up instead.

what went wrong? Shouldn't I get the same answer?
 
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catch22 said:
that was the answer, but would it be possible to use

8q / (L+x)2 = 2q / (x)2

where L is the distance between the charges 8q and -2q.

I get x = L using this set up instead.

what went wrong? Shouldn't I get the same answer?
The answers are the same! Realize that in the second approach you are measuring x from the second charge, not the origin.
 
Doc Al said:
The answers are the same! Realize that in the second approach you are measuring x from the second charge, not the origin.
Ah, so the point is L away from the -2q and 2L away from the origin.
 
catch22 said:
Ah, so the point is L away from the -2q and 2L away from the origin.
Exactly. What's confusing you is that in the second method, "x" stands for "unknown", not the x-coordinate of the final location. You'll have to translate to that to report your answer, if you want them to match.
 
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