At what temperature does citric acid decay?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the thermal decay of citric acid, specifically investigating the temperature at which this decay occurs. Participants are exploring the experimental setup involving juicing lemons, filtering, and titrating citric acid solutions at various temperatures, as well as seeking relevant sources and theoretical frameworks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment involving the titration of citric acid solutions at temperatures ranging from 10 to 90 degrees Celsius and expresses difficulty in finding relevant data.
  • Another suggests using Google to find resources related to "citric acid thermal decay."
  • One participant recommends looking up the Arrhenius equation to understand how temperature affects reaction rates, questioning the relationship between degradation and reaction rates.
  • Another participant notes that degradation can occur through mechanisms other than temperature, such as exposure to light, while emphasizing that temperature is the controlled variable in the experiment.
  • A later reply claims that citric acid does not begin to decay appreciably until temperatures exceed approximately 148 degrees Celsius, suggesting that the current experimental temperature range may be inadequate.
  • This same participant also critiques the experimental description, stating that filtering lemon juice would not increase citric acid concentration and points out that titration should be conducted with a molar solution of NaOH, not a mole.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the temperature at which citric acid begins to decay, with some suggesting it occurs at much higher temperatures than those currently being tested. There is also disagreement regarding the experimental methodology and the interpretation of degradation versus reaction rates.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the experimental description and raise concerns about the adequacy of the temperature range being tested. There are unresolved questions about the relationship between degradation mechanisms and the specific conditions of the experiment.

Nicksterino
I am currently performing a school experiment in which I am testing when citric acid decays. We are juicing lemons, filtering them to get a higher concentration of citric acid, placing them in water baths from 10 to 90 degrees Celsius and then titrating them against one mole of sodium hydroxide. Currently, research has shown little data about this topic is out there and our experimentation is proving difficult. Can anyone provide any sources or answers (preferably sources) about this topic?
 
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I have not checked what is in any of the resulting hyperlinks, but if you open Google search engine and put in : citric acid thermal decay
there will be several listed hyperlinks which appear related.
 
Look up the Arrhenius equation, too. Perhaps a better way to frame the question is, "How much does increasing the temperature increase the reaction rate".
 
Asymptotic said:
Look up the Arrhenius equation, too. Perhaps a better way to frame the question is, "How much does increasing the temperature increase the reaction rate".
This is about degradation, not reaction rates. Or are the two intertwined somehow?
 
Degradation can be brought about through other mechanisms (exposure to visible and UV light, for instance), but in this case temperature is the controlled variable.
Does a carton of milk degrade - spoil - more rapidly as storage temperature increases? If so, why so?
 
You haven't described the experiment well enough. No idea what exactly you are doing. Citric acid doesn't start to "decay" appreciably (by purely thermal means) until it gets up above about 148+ degrees Celsius. Maybe this is what your teacher wants you to figure out, that your data is useless because you aren't allowed to use a hot plate. Source:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0040603186870812
There are also other problems with what you've said. Filtering lemon juice would not affect the concentration of citric acid in the aqueous solution. Evaporating on a steam bath, however, would.
You don't titrate with a mole of NaOH. You titrate with a __ molar solution of NaOH.
 
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