ATLAS reanalysis of W mass: Lower uncertainty, agrees with SM

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The ATLAS collaboration has released an improved analysis of the W boson mass, utilizing enhanced event generation techniques that yield lower uncertainty and align more closely with the Standard Model predictions. The analysis builds on the same dataset as previous measurements but incorporates new methodologies and results from other studies. Notably, the advancements in modeling the W boson decay process, particularly the transition from m(l + v) to m(W), are critical to this improvement. The discussion highlights the limitations of older tools like Pythia 6 and emphasizes the need for updated models and PDFs to achieve accurate results.

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  • Research the latest version of Pythia and its improvements over Pythia 6
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  • Explore the PHOTOS tool for accurate lepton radiation modeling
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Particle physicists, researchers in high-energy physics, and anyone involved in W boson measurements and event generation modeling will benefit from this discussion.

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ATLAS reduced the systematic uncertainties of its measurement. This puts the CDF measurement in even stronger disagreement with other experiments.
Improved ATLAS result weighs in on the W boson
Same dataset, but better analysis methods and some new results from elsewhere that could be used. Money plot from ATLAS:

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This makes the CDF measurement an even weirder outlier than it was at the time of publication.
 
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The primary difference is improvements in the event generation. It makes one wonder if there are similar improvements to be made at Tevatron energies.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
The primary difference is improvements in the event generation
What are the improvements?
 
Without getting too technical, what you want is m(W). What you have is m(l + v) and you're missing the z-component of the neutrino. It takes some modeling to get from one to the other and those models contain inputs like proton structure.

As time passes, some of these models (or inputs) are disfavored by the data and new ones are created to take their place.
 
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I have used pythia a lot.

Is it just the event generation of W -> l + v that has been improved or what else have they done?

If you have any technical references, I would be happy to read them
 
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Pythia (at leas Pythia 6 out of the box) won't come close. The PDFs are ancient, the underlying event isn't right, and it won't get radiation of the lepton right.

This is kind of a part in 10,000 measurement. Takes lots of tuning and adjustment to get everything right.
 
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Yeah I have also used Pythia with various pdfs. I guess I have to look more into the newest version of PHOTOS
 

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