Atom Rubbing Sounds: Wood vs Glass

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The discussion revolves around the nature of sound produced when atoms rub against each other, specifically comparing the sounds generated by scratching wood and glass. Participants explore the mechanisms of sound production, the role of mediums, and philosophical questions regarding sound perception.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that noise is an illusion created by the brain, resulting from atoms vibrating in the air and reaching the eardrums.
  • Another participant notes that sound behaves differently in various mediums, such as water, due to differences in sound speed.
  • A philosophical question is raised about whether sound exists if there is no one to hear it, leading to a discussion about the definition of sound as dependent on interpretation by the brain.
  • One participant proposes that sound is essentially mechanical vibrations, linking the concept of touch to low-frequency sound vibrations.
  • It is mentioned that scratching wood and glass produces different sounds because they cannot be scratched in the same manner.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of sound and its perception, with no consensus reached on the philosophical implications of sound existing without a listener.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on varying definitions of sound and its perception, which may influence their arguments. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the relationship between sound and mechanical vibrations.

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What makes the noise when atoms rub each other. E.g a different noise is made from scratching wood than a noise from scratching glass.
 
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well noise is just an illusion created by your brain. All 'noise' is, is atoms in the air vibrating against each other. These atoms vibrations reach your eardrums which convert them into signals your brain can interpret.

If you were in a vacuum (no air) I could yell at the top of my lungs and you would not hear a thing.

Now, if you are having trouble understanding what makes sounds different, or how we are able to interpret one sound from another and why everything doesn't sound the same...
Then just think of speakers. All speakers are is basically a wall that vibrates. It has a magnet on the speaker and an electromagnet attached to some wires. When an electrical signal passes through the electromagnet it attracts the speaker and then it let's go causing the speaker to "push" the air.
How is it that a speaker then, if all it can do is push, create soooo many different sounds?

It's the patterns of vibrations that are created that give rise to all the different possible sounds.
 
The mediums the sound in also has an effect. In water every thing sounds different because sound moves at a different speed.
 
This brings up the question "If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?"

no eardrums=nothing to interpret the compression wave created=no sound
 
I never thought of that. Logically it would, but if you define sound as how your brain interpretaties wave compressions then there is no sound... still compressions though.
 
Sound is just mechanical vibrations. So in a sense, "touch" is "very low frequency sound" - the lowest frequency vibrations in a rock concert or organ recital are felt with your body. Scratching wood and glass produces different sounds because you cannot scratch them in the same way.
 

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