Atomic Number, Orbitals & Subshells: Definition & Image

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The discussion revolves around the definitions and distinctions between atomic number, orbitals, and subshells in atomic structure. Participants explore the role of protons in defining atoms, the nature of isotopes, and the terminology associated with orbitals and subshells, including a specific image reference for clarification.

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  • Some participants propose that the atomic number, defined by the number of protons, is sufficient to define an atom, while others note that neutrons affect stability and create isotopes.
  • One participant questions whether the image referenced correctly identifies the red circle in A as an orbital and B as a subshell.
  • Another participant clarifies that A represents a specific f-orbital and B is a portion of that orbital, providing additional details about subshells and orbitals.
  • A later reply discusses the relationship between the configuration notation and the magnetic quantum number, indicating a deeper exploration of the topic.

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Participants generally agree that protons define the species of an atom, but there is some uncertainty regarding the terminology used for orbitals and subshells, as well as the interpretation of the image. Multiple views on these definitions remain present.

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Some limitations include potential misunderstandings of terminology and the specific definitions of orbitals and subshells, which may depend on context or educational background.

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Atomic number and Orbitals

1. Does the amount of protons define the atom? The other subatomic elements just seem to distort the properties on a much smaller scale: electrons seem to only change the charge, and neutrons the stability.
Basically I just need the atomic number to define an atom, right?

2. In the following image, the red circle in A contains what is defined as being an orbital, and B a subshell, right?

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/1310/orbitalspi1.png

Thanks in advance.
 
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Sounds like homework. I can't see the image in #2 so I pass on it.

1. Yes, protons define the "species" of atom. Changing the number of neutrons (while still keeping a somewhat stable nucleus) creates the various isotopes of the element. For example, hydrogen has 1 proton, and may have a neutron or two. Uranium has 92 protons, and varying numbers of neutrons eg., U238 & U235 & U234 - the naturallly occurring isotopes.
 
It isn't homework; I don't even have Chemistry.
 
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2. In the following image, the red circle in A contains what is defined as being an orbital, and B a subshell, right?

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/1310/orbitalspi1.png

Thanks in advance.
Yes, A highlights the 4f orbital and B highlights an orbital.
 
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I just thought you call the whole thing orbital, but it seems that you also call its components orbitals...
 
Helicobacter said:
2. In the following image, the red circle in A contains what is defined as being an orbital, and B a subshell, right?

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/1310/orbitalspi1.png

Thanks in advance.
A is a picture of a specific f-orbital - one of the 7 kinds of orbitals associated with the f-subshell.

The lobe circled in B is just a portion of the orbital.

For a clarification of the terminology:
s,~ p,~ d,~ f - subshells
p_x, ~p_y,~p_z - orbitalsEdit: Okay, to be more specific, it's a 4f orbital (one of 4f_{x^3},~4f_{y^3},4f_{z^3})

http://winter.group.shef.ac.uk/orbitron/AOs/4f/index.html
 
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O.k., thanks for the clarification, Gokul. The manipulated 3D-coordinates at the end of the configuration notation (e.g., z^3 in 4f_{z^3} correspond to the magnetic quantum number m{l}, right?
 
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