Attractive strong force, isospin and hypercharges

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of the strong nuclear force, particularly its relationship with isospin and hypercharge in baryons. Participants explore whether all baryons are attracted to each other regardless of their quantum numbers and the implications of isospin and hypercharge on these interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the strong nuclear force attracts baryons regardless of their hypercharge (Y) and isospin (I3), drawing an analogy to uncharged molecules interacting via van der Waals forces.
  • Others argue that isospin and hypercharge do not influence strong interactions, suggesting that the discussion may be conflating weak isospin with strong interactions.
  • A participant introduces the concept of chiral symmetry in quantum chromodynamics (QCD), explaining its significance in the context of light quarks and the formation of quark condensates, which leads to the emergence of massless pseudoscalar Goldstone bosons (pions).
  • Another participant questions the accuracy of the statement regarding the attraction between protons and neutrons, noting that the n-p force varies with distance, being negligible at large distances, attractive at short distances, and repulsive at even shorter distances.
  • There is mention of isospin symmetry and its historical context, particularly how it relates to the classification of baryons and the development of QCD.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of isospin and hypercharge in strong interactions, with no consensus reached on whether these quantum numbers affect baryon attraction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of the forces at play between baryons.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential misunderstanding of the relationship between isospin, hypercharge, and strong interactions, as well as the complexity of the forces involved at varying distances.

Maximilien Kitutu
In the electromagnetic interaction, opposite electric charges q attract each other.

In the strong nuclear force,
  • the proton p(uud) is attracted to p(uud) and the neutron n(udd), and
  • n(udd) is attracted to p(uud) and n(udd).
Both neutrons and protons have
  • a hypercharge Y=+1, and
  • 3rd component of the isospin I3=-1/2 and + 1/2 respectively.
There are many more heavy baryons (Σ,Δ,Λ) with different I3 (3rd component of isospin) and Y (hypercharge) , positive as well as negative.
  • Are all the baryons attracted to each other, regardless of their 2 quantum numbers Y and I3 (assuming strong interaction acts within their lifetime)?
  • How the sign of the 3rd component of the isospin (I3) and the sign of the hypercharge (Y) are related to this attraction between quarks and between baryons ?
 
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Isospin and hypercharge have nothing to do with the strong interactions.
 
Maximilien Kitutu said:
Are all the baryons attracted to each other, regardless of their 2 quantum numbers Y and I3 (assuming strong interaction acts within their lifetime)?
Yes. A better electromagnetic equivalent would be uncharged molecules interacting via the van der Waals force.
 
Orodruin said:
Isospin and hypercharge have nothing to do with the strong interactions.
This is a bit misleading. What you probably have in mind is weak isospin and hypercharge.

On the other hand there's a very important approximate "accidental symmetry" of QCD, the socalled chiral symmetry in the light-quark sector. The reason is that the light quarks have pretty small masses (small compared to the typical hadronic scale of around ##1 \;\text{GeV}##). Thus, neglecting the u- and d-quark masses, leads to a chiral symmetry of the strong interaction with symmetry group ##\mathrm{SU}(2)_{\text{L}} \times \mathrm{SU}(2)_{\text{R}}##.

This symmetry is, however, spontaneously broken due to strong attraction in the quark-antiquark channel, leading to the formation of a quark condensate, i.e., ##\langle \bar{\psi} \psi \rangle \neq 0##, which makes the chiral symmetry broken to the vector part, ##\mathrm{SU}(2)_{\text{V}}##, leading to three massless pseudoscalar Goldstone bosons, identified with the pions.

Now the pions are not massless, because also the quarks are not strictly massless, and that's why chiral symmetry is also explicitly broken, but that explicit symmetry breaking is small and can be treated as a perturbation, leading to chiral perturbation theory, which is the most important way to build effective low-energy hadronic models based on fundamental symmetries of QCD.

The ##\mathrm{SU}_{\text{V}}## symmetry stays intact even if the quarks are massive, but u- and d-quarks should have the same mass then, which is not the case in nature. Thus you have isospin symmetry on the same level of accuracy as chiral symmetry, and that's why isospin symmetry of the strong interactions has been discovered very early by Heisenberg, who grouped proton and neutron to an isospin doublet.

You can also extent the idea of chiral symmetry to strange quarks, which are however a bit heavier than the u and d quarks. This leads to a modern understanding of Gell-Mann's and Zweig's "eightfold way", which has been discovered as a mathematical pattern to bring order into the zoo of light+strange hadrons and lead to the discovery of quarks and finally QCD as the modern description of the strong interaction.

For some more details on chiral symmetry on a pretty elementary level, see my transparencies from a recent Lecture Week (Lecture I):

http://th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/hgs-hire-lectweek17/

A very nice introduction (on which also my transparencies are mostly based) can be found here:

https://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-th/9706075
 
I'm not sure this is an A level thread, because

Maximilien Kitutu said:
the proton p(uud) is attracted to p(uud) and the neutron n(udd), and

is not entirely right. The n-p force is negligible at large distances, attractive at short distances, and repulsive at even shorter distances. So there isn't a single "sign of the force". (And isospin does play a role here, although weak isospin does not)
 

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