Audibility of a compression wave

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The discussion revolves around the audibility of a compression wave, specifically exploring how such waves propagate through air and the factors that influence their frequency and intensity. Participants examine the relationship between compression, rarefaction, and sound perception, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a compression wave causes oscillation as it passes the ear, questioning whether this oscillation is audible and what factors determine its frequency.
  • Another participant notes that the rate of compression and rarefaction is influenced by the source of the sound, with higher frequencies resulting in faster rates.
  • It is mentioned that the equation V=fλ relates velocity, frequency, and wavelength, and that the speed of sound is affected by atmospheric conditions.
  • A participant clarifies that the frequency of the sound wave is determined by the frequency of the peaks and troughs that pass the ear, with propagation speed primarily depending on temperature for an ideal gas.
  • Discussion includes the behavior of damped harmonic oscillators when driven by different types of waves, with some participants noting that the damping affects the response to single pulses versus continuous waves.
  • One participant expresses a desire to establish realistic parameters for modeling the scenario, such as temperature and pressure, to better understand the conditions under which a pressure wave could create an audible oscillation.
  • There is a suggestion that the magnitude of the pressure increase may affect the intensity of the sound, while temperature is proposed to influence the frequency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between compression waves, frequency, and audibility, with no consensus reached on the specific factors or models that best explain these phenomena. Multiple competing views remain regarding the influence of different variables on sound perception.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the influence of temperature and pressure on sound propagation, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific conditions under which the audibility of compression waves can be modeled accurately.

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Hello and thanks in advance for reading or contributing...

In regards to another thread here, https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/sound-as-condensation-or-rarefaction-of-air.817705/ , I am convinced a compression wave would cause an oscillation as it passes your ear. This raises the question as to whether this oscillation could be audible and what factors would determine the frequency.

To begin I believe that the wave should propagate through the air at the speed of sound, but I am uncertain if that is relevant. What determines the rate at which compression followed by rarefaction occurs? My intuition tells me the temperature and pressure (ambient as well as compressed) are the important factors, but I'm coming up short on techniques to model it.
 
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jerromyjon said:
What determines the rate at which compression followed by rarefaction occurs?

The source of the sound? For example rate of compression and rarefaction is faster for a 10kHz sine wave tone than it is for a 1kHz tone.

The equation V=fλ relates velocity, frequency and wavelength. The speed of sound varies with atmospheric conditions.
 
What you are describing is just a sound wave, and the frequency would just be determined by the frequency of the peaks and troughs that pass your ear. As for the propagation speed, it turns out to only depend on temperature for an ideal gas (which air is very close to).
 
If you drive a damped harmonic oscillator with a single pulse, it will vibrate. Not nearly as much as if you drove it with a nicely tuned sine wave. But it will vibrate.
 
jbriggs444 said:
If you drive a damped harmonic oscillator with a single pulse, it will vibrate. Not nearly as much as if you drove it with a nicely tuned sine wave. But it will vibrate.
That depends on the damping - if it's overdamped, it will do a single pulse, with no oscillations or ringing.
 
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cjl said:
the frequency of the peaks and troughs that pass your ear.
That is what I'm trying to determine. I am trying to make sure my feet are firmly planted on the ground before I contemplate a simplified scenario. I prefer to set the variables to realistic rounded figures for simplicity, such as 300K temperature (80F) and 100,000 Pa (roughly 1 atmosphere ambient pressure) but I'm not even sure what units are easiest to use.

As I didn't want to "derail" the other thread, I referred to it as a general description of what I aim to calculate. The premise is that a localized source of pressure increase in an air-tight room could create an audible oscillation as the pressure wave passes your ear. Now I am getting the impression that the magnitude of the pressure increase will contribute to the intensity (decibels) and simply the temperature will determine the frequency.
 

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