For a sound wave how/why does the compression and rarefaction occur?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of compression and rarefaction in sound waves, particularly how these processes occur when a sound is generated, such as by clapping hands. Participants explore the mechanics of sound wave propagation, the behavior of air molecules, and the nature of pressure changes in the medium.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how compression (high pressure) and rarefaction (low pressure) occur when clapping hands and seeks clarification on the mechanics of sound wave propagation.
  • Another participant shares an animation to help visualize the concept, suggesting it may aid understanding.
  • A participant reflects on their understanding, proposing that high pressure moves across the medium, creating areas of low pressure, and wonders if this process occurs at the speed of sound (approximately 340 m/s).
  • There is a clarification that sound waves are compressional waves, which involve back-and-forth movement of the medium rather than side-to-side movement, which is characteristic of transverse waves.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how high and low pressure continue to propagate, noting that while the medium vibrates, it does not propagate itself, leading to further questions about the nature of pressure changes in the medium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic mechanics of sound wave propagation but express varying levels of understanding regarding the specifics of how pressure changes occur and propagate through the medium. Some confusion remains, particularly about the nature of the medium's movement and the propagation of pressure changes.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the speed of sound in different mediums and the implications of density on this speed. There is a distinction made between compressional and transverse waves, which may affect the understanding of sound wave behavior.

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I cannot seem to visualize how this compression and rarefaction occurs for example when I clap my hands, I know I move air molecules away from me, but it's so weird that such compression(high air pressure) and rarefaction(low air pressure) occurs. I also do not quite understand why this phenomena occurs.

Maybe somehow the clap creates a region where there is a high air pressure due to more air molecules leaving the area adjacent to it causing a cascade effect in which the air molecules move in this direction: high<---low, but we also get this direction of air movement low---> high, how does a sound wave continue to cascade the air molecules through space in this high<---low---> manner?

I am really confused? Please, I need help understanding this?
 
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Wow that helped a lot.

Can I ask you if I now have the right understanding. A high pressure(amplitude of the wave)' moves across the medium, in which as it moves, causes areas of low pressure, but as it continues to move,the area that had high and low pressure comes back to normal. And this is all happening at the speed of sound, 340m/s ? The medium only moves side to side, so the first high pressure simultaneously causes a low pressure to form, and as the air goes back to status quo to fill the low pressure again, we create another area of low pressure and high pressure?

Thanks so much Daven.
 
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hongiddong said:
Wow that helped a lot.

Can I ask you if I now have the right understanding. A high pressure(amplitude of the wave)' moves across the medium, in which as it moves, causes areas of low pressure, but as it continues to move, the area that had high and low pressure comes back to normal.

Yes

And this is all happening at the speed of sound, 340m/s ?

Yes, give or take a bit, different mediums, depending on their density, have different velocities
here's one small list ... am sure you could google others say for wood etc :smile:

The medium only moves side to side, so the first high pressure simultaneously causes a low pressure to form, and as the air goes back to status quo to fill the low pressure again, we create another area of low pressure and high pressure?

Thanks so much Daven.

careful with your terminology there :wink:
a side to side movement is known as a traverse wave. where the particles of the material are moving sideways ( at 90 deg to the direction of travel of the wave)

a sound wave = a compressional wave and it moves back and forwards along the direction of travel of the wave as in the animation

cheers
Dave
 
I am just confused with one last part to this. I see that the high pressure moves, however, I don't understand how that high pressure and low pressure keeps propagating. The medium itself does not propagate, but it vibrates in a parallel manner.

I at first thought that the initial high pressure or that pocket of the initial air kept moving across space.

The medium moves parallel to the propagation, so the first high pressure simultaneously causes a low pressure to form, and as the air goes back to status quo to fill the low pressure again, we create another area of low pressure and high pressure? I am still a bit confused.

Thanks Dave for all your help. I am definitely starting to get it.
 

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