Autonomous polynomial differential equation

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The discussion centers on the challenge of finding a general solution for a third-degree polynomial differential equation, specifically dx/dt = -a1*x + a2*x^2 + a3*x^3. It is noted that while integration is possible, the resulting expression typically leads to an implicit relationship, such as -t = f(x)*ln(g(x)), making it difficult to express x explicitly as a function of t. Participants agree that most ordinary differential equations (ODEs) cannot yield solutions in simple closed forms, often requiring implicit representations instead. The conversation highlights that even if different methods are employed, they will likely lead to similar limitations regarding expressibility. Ultimately, the nature of the equation suggests that its solutions may not conform to standard functions, reflecting a common issue in solving complex differential equations.
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Homework Statement


Is it possible to find general solution for the following 3rd degree polynomial differential equation:
dx/dt=-a1*x+a2*x^2+a3*x^3

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I understand that its is possible to integrate 1/(-a1*x+a2*x^2+a3*x^3), however, end equation that I get integrating directly has the form like - t=f(x)*ln(g(x)), where both f(x) and g(x) are polynomials. And it is clear that from this it won't be possible to express x as a function of t.
Are there any methods how this differential equation can be solved?
Thank you in advance!
 
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What, exactly, do you mean by solve? The fact is that most first order differential equations cannot be solved in the form x(t)= a function of t. The best you can expect is an implicit formula connecting x and t.
 


I understand that its is possible to integrate 1/(-a1*x+a2*x^2+a3*x^3), however, end equation that I get integrating directly has the form like - t=f(x)*ln(g(x)), where both f(x) and g(x) are polynomials. And it is clear that from this it won't be possible to express x as a function of t.
Are there any methods how this differential equation can be solved?
The solutions of the differentiel equation doesn't depend of the method used to solve it. Any method will lead to the same final result as far as the developments are correct.
So, if a method leads to solutions t=f(x)*ln(g(x)) and if it is impossible to express x as a function of t on an expected form (generaly a combination of a finite number of standard functions), the hitch will be the same for the other methods.
 


janet123 said:
And it is clear that from this it won't be possible to express x as a function of t.

That statement is true for almost every "random" differential equation you can write down.

Most ODEs don't even have solutions that can be expressed at all using "elementary" functions like logs, trig, etc. At least the solution of your equation can be written in the form t = F(x).

This situation is no different from the fact that you can't express the integral of most functions in a "simple" closed form.

In fact, if a differential equation is "interesting" enough, its solutions may have been given names so they can be written down easily. Often they are named after whoever first studied them - Bessel and Hankel functions, Legendre polynomials, Fresnel integrals, etc.
 
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