Average amplitude of signal is zero, why?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the necessity of having a signal with an average amplitude of zero, particularly in the context of signal transmission efficiency. Participants explore the implications of amplitude definitions and provide examples of signals that may not conform to this average amplitude condition.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the efficiency of transmitting signals with an average amplitude greater than zero, suggesting that it may be inefficient for transmission mediums.
  • There is a clarification regarding the term "amplitude," with some participants indicating that it typically refers to a positive quantity related to the distance from peak to trough.
  • One participant asserts that the distance from peak to trough is twice the amplitude, while another emphasizes that it is half the distance from peak to trough.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that not all signals need to have an average amplitude of zero, citing examples like analogue TV signals that can have a DC offset.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether signals must have an average amplitude of zero, with some arguing for its necessity and others providing counterexamples where this is not the case. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the efficiency implications and definitions of amplitude.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of amplitude and the specific contexts in which average amplitude may or may not be relevant. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of signal characteristics.

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hi there,
Why does we need to have a signal which always has the average amplitude of zero. i read some where that it would be inefficient for over transmission medium to carry a signal which have amplitude great than zero. Why?
 
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Geek007 said:
hi there,
Why does we need to have a signal which always has the average amplitude of zero. i read some where that it would be inefficient for over transmission medium to carry a signal which have amplitude great than zero. Why?
It is difficult for us to confirm or refute what you read "some where". By "amplitude", you presumably mean voltage or current or some similar quantity that can be positive or negative but which is most efficient when it averages to zero. Properly, the term "amplitude" is always a positive quantity that relates to the distance from peak to trough.

However, rather than addressing your question based on guesswork, we need for you to first produce a reference to what you read.
 
jbriggs444 said:
It is difficult for us to confirm or refute what you read "some where". By "amplitude", you presumably mean voltage or current or some similar quantity that can be positive or negative but which is most efficient when it averages to zero. Properly, the term "amplitude" is always a positive quantity that relates to the distance from peak to trough.

However, rather than addressing your question based on guesswork, we need for you to first produce a reference to what you read.
I think that the distance from peak to trough is 2 x Amplitude.
 
lychette said:
I think that the distance from peak to trough is 2 x Amplitude.
Which is the main reason that I wrote "related". Well, that and the [vain] hope that it would deflect someone from mentioning something about root-mean-square.
 
jbriggs444 said:
Which is the main reason that I wrote "related". Well, that and the [vain] hope that it would deflect someone from mentioning something about root-mean-square.
but you surely agree that it is half the distance from peak to trough.
I have never seen it put forward as anything else.
 
Geek007 said:
hi there,
Why does we need to have a signal which always has the average amplitude of zero. i read some where that it would be inefficient for over transmission medium to carry a signal which have amplitude great than zero. Why?
We don't always need a signal with no DC offset. It depends entirely upon the case you are discussing and the form of modulation or nature of the signal. An example that does not follow that rule is a simple Analogue TV signal. If the picture is black for an hour then the mean signal voltage is just over 0.3V and, for a white picture, the mean signal voltage is just a little under 1V.
 

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