-b.2.1.11 Find the general solution y'+y=5sin{2t}

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The discussion revolves around finding the general solution to the differential equation \(y' + y = 5\sin(2t)\) and analyzing the behavior of solutions as \(t \to \infty\). The conversation includes various methods of solving the equation, including the use of integrating factors and the method of undetermined coefficients.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using an integrating factor, leading to the equation \(e^t y' + e^t y = 5e^t \sin(2t)\) and suggests integrating to find the solution.
  • Another participant critiques the use of integrating factors for simple linear differential equations and instead suggests a solution of the form \(y = A\cos(2t) + B\sin(2t)\), leading to a system of equations to determine \(A\) and \(B\).
  • A later reply provides a solution derived from the integrating factor method, stating that as \(t \to \infty\), the term \(Ce^{-t}\) approaches zero.
  • Another participant notes the general solution derived from the second method, which includes both the homogeneous and particular solutions, and discusses the asymptotic behavior of the solution as \(t\) increases.

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Participants present multiple approaches to solving the differential equation, with no consensus on the preferred method. Different interpretations of the solution behavior as \(t \to \infty\ are also noted, indicating a lack of agreement on the implications of the solutions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the steps involved in integrating by parts and the assumptions made regarding the form of the particular solution. The discussion reflects varying levels of comfort with different solution techniques and their implications.

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Find the general solution of the given differential equation, and use it to determine how solutions behave as $ t\to\infty$ $y'+y=5\sin{2t}$
ok I did this first
$u(t)y'+u(t)y=u(i)5\sin{2t}$
then
$\frac{1}{5}u(t)y'+\frac{1}{5}u(t)y=u(i)\sin{2t}$
so far ... couldn't find an esample to follow
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book answer
$y=ce^{−t}+\sin 2t−2\cos 2t$
$\textit{y is asymptotic to sin2t−2cos2t as $t\to\infty$}$
 
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$y' + a(t) \cdot y = b(t)$

$y' + y = 5\sin(2t)$

integrating factor is $e^{\int a(t) dt} = e^{\int dt} = e^t$

$e^t y' + e^t y = 5e^t \sin(2t)$

$\displaystyle (e^t y)' = 5e^t \sin(2t) \, dt$

$\displaystyle e^t y = 5 \int e^t \sin(2t) \, dt$

integrate the right side by parts (2 iterations which I'm not typing out)

$e^t y = e^t[\sin(2t)-2\cos(2t)] + C$

$y = \sin(2t)-2\cos(2t) + Ce^{-t}$

$t \to \infty \implies Ce^{-t} \to 0$
 
Appreciate much😎
 
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I have never been a fan of using the "integrating factor" for something as simple as linear differential equations with constant coefficients. The "associated homogeneous equation" is y'+ y= 0 which has characteristic equation r+ 1= 0 so characteristic root r= -1. The general solution to the associated homogeneous equation is $y(t)= Ce^{-t}$.

Now, recognizing "sine" and "cosine" together as one of the types of solutions we expect for such equations, we seek a solution to the entire equation of the form $y= Acos(2t)+ Bsin(2t)$. We need to determine A and B. Then $y'= -2Asin(2t)+ 2Bcos(25)$ so the equation becomes $y'+ y= -2Asin(2t)+ 2Bcos(2t)+ Acos(2t)+ Bsin(2t)= (A+ 2B) cos(2t)+ (B- 2A)sin(2t)= 5 sin(2t)$. Since this is to be true for all t we must have A+ 2B= 0 and B- 2A= 5. 2 times the first equation gives 2A+ 4B= 0 and adding the second equation eliminates A: 5B= 5 so B= 1. Then A+ 2B= A+ 2= 0 so A= -2.

$-2cos(2t)+ sin(2t)$ satisfies the entire equation so the general solution to the entire equation is $y(t)= Ce^{-t}- 2cos(2t)+ sin(2t)$.

As t goes to infinity, $Ce^{-t}$ goes to 0 for all C so this solution "behaves like" $sin(2t)- cos(2t)$.
 

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