Bachman's Geometric Approach to Differential Forms: Chains & Cells

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The discussion revolves around the concept of k-chains as formal linear combinations of k-cells in the context of differential forms, as presented in Bachman's work. Participants explore the definitions, properties, and implications of these mathematical constructs, including their algebraic structure and the nature of coefficients involved.

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  • Bachman defines a k-chain as a formal linear combination of k-cells, raising questions about the meaning of "formal linear combination."
  • Some participants suggest that the coefficients in these combinations could belong to a field, such as the rationals or reals, while others argue that chains are typically presented over the integers.
  • There is a discussion about whether the relations m(S + T) = mS + mT and 1S = S hold true, with some participants asserting that these relations are assumed to be valid in the context of Bachman's definitions.
  • A participant notes that the term "formal" may be superfluous but could imply a symbolic nature of the linear combinations.
  • Another participant compares Bachman's definition of chains to that of Pemantle, highlighting differences in the treatment of simplices and the potential for different coefficient fields.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the definitions and properties of k-chains, with no consensus reached on the nature of coefficients or the implications of the term "formal." The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact structure and definitions involved.

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Participants note that the definitions and properties discussed may depend on specific assumptions about the nature of the coefficients and the mathematical structures being referenced, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Bachman: A Geometric Approach to Differential Forms, p. 65:

A k-chain is a formal linear combination of k-cells. As one would expect, we assume the following relations hold:

S - S = {}

nS + mS = (n+m)S

S + T = T + S

Questions. (1) I know the term linear combination from linear algebra, but what is a formal linear combination?

(2) What are n and m: integers, rational numbers, real numbers?

(3) Is it also assumed that m(S + T) = mS + mT, and does 1S = S? The numbers 1 and -1 distribute over cells in his definition of the boundary of a cell, and I think he assumes that the latter relation holds too. This would imply that k-chains make a vector space or a module, if m and n represent elements of a field or ring respectively.

(NOTE: Bachman writes n-chain and n-cells; I changed this to k, as I'm guessing the n in the name has no connection to the n in his second relation.)
 
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http://www.math.upenn.edu/~pemantle/581-html/chapter04.pdf source also uses the expression "formal linear combination" in defining a chain (also without definition), although here the elements combined are maps from "p-simplices" that are subsets of Rp to a manifold M, rather than the images of unit cubes in Rp under a map to M. He also says, "Boundaries are a subset (in fact, a sub-vector space) of the cycles" (p. 64), and the cycles are a subset of the chains. So, reading between the lines, perhaps Bachman's chains and this guy (Pemantle)'s chains are vectors, in which case the coefficients of Bachman's cells would belong to a field, such as the rationals or the reals.
 
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Rasalhague said:
Bachman: A Geometric Approach to Differential Forms, p. 65:



Questions. (1) I know the term linear combination from linear algebra, but what is a formal linear combination?

The simplices are geometric objects not elements of a Z-module. But on can formally write down Z-linear combinations of them as though they were. These linear combinations are really just symbols but they produce a Z-module just the same.

(2) What are n and m: integers, rational numbers, real numbers?

chains are usually first presented over the integers but one could just as easily use any commutative ring with identity. In this case I think n and m are integers because these letters typically denote integers.

(3) Is it also assumed that m(S + T) = mS + mT, and does 1S = S? The numbers 1 and -1 distribute over cells in his definition of the boundary of a cell, and I think he assumes that the latter relation holds too. This would imply that k-chains make a vector space or a module, if m and n represent elements of a field or ring respectively.

(NOTE: Bachman writes n-chain and n-cells; I changed this to k, as I'm guessing the n in the name has no connection to the n in his second relation.)

yes, 1S = S, m(S + T) = mS + mT is just scalar multiplication in the formal module.

To be precise the formal module is all formal linear combinations of the simplices modulo the equivalence relations, m(S + T) = mS + mT and so forth.
 
Thanks, lavinia. To summarise, the structure being defined by Bachman is a Z-module, meaning a module over the integers. Its elements are chains of cells with integer coefficients. "Formal" is (operationally) superfluous in formal linear combination, like the "linear" in "linear vector space"? But perhaps, although it doesn't denote any difference, it carries a connotation of being "merely symbolic". Pemantle defines his chains slightly differently with maps called simplices in place of Bachman's sets called cells. He probably allows the coefficients to be at least rationals, possibly reals, since he describes chains as vectors.
 

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