Help with David Bachman's A Geometric Approach to Differential Forms, 2nd Ed.

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of integrals related to differential forms, specifically focusing on the correctness of certain integral expressions as presented in David Bachman's "A Geometric Approach to Differential Forms." Participants explore different interpretations and approaches to the integrals, including comparisons with external resources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the correctness of the integral expression involving ##\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-a^{2}-x^{2}}}## and its relation to the arcsine function.
  • Another participant suggests using a geometric interpretation involving a triangle to understand the differences between the arcsine and arctangent functions in the context of the integrals.
  • A participant notes that the integral with ##1 - a^2 - x^2## is fundamentally the same as the original integral with ##a^2 - x^2##, provided a substitution is made.
  • Concerns are raised about the non-negativity of expressions under the square root, questioning whether the variable 'a' should be treated as positive or negative.
  • One participant mentions that checking the correctness of an indefinite integral can be done by differentiating the proposed integral to see if it matches the original integrand.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the integral expressions and the appropriate interpretations of the results. There is no consensus on the validity of the integrals or the best approach to understand them.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of ensuring non-negativity in expressions under square roots and the potential ambiguity in the variable 'a'. The discussion does not resolve these issues, leaving them open for further exploration.

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this starts as a calculus question, but springs into where i can get help with david bachman's A GEOMETRIC APPROACH TO DIFFERENTIAL FORMS second edition.

looking at paul's notes cheat sheets http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/cheat_table.aspx we have##
\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{a^{2}-x^{2}}} = sin^{-1}(\frac{x}{a})+c
##

but this is different than wolfram http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integral&a=*C.integral-_*Calculator.dflt-&f2=1/sqrt(a^2-x^2)&f=Integral.integrand_1/sqrt(a^2-x^2)&a=*FVarOpt.1-_**-.***Integral.rangestart-.*Integral.rangeend--.**Integral.variable---.*--

however, all i really want to know is this correct?

## \int \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-a^{2}-x^{2}}} = sin^{-1}(\frac{x}{\sqrt{1-a^{2}}})+c ##
 
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To get your TeX stuff to work right, put two # signs before and two after.

To compare the two different results for the integrals, consider a triangle with sides x, a, and ##\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}##. What angle is indicated by the ##\sin^{-1}()## version and what angle by the ##\tan^{-1}()## version?
 
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DEvens said:
To get your TeX stuff to work right, put two # signs before and two after.

To compare the two different results for the integrals, consider a triangle with sides x, a, and ##\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}##. What angle is indicated by the ##\sin^{-1}()## version and what angle by the ##\tan^{-1}()## version?

thanks, latex fixed, now i need to ponder the triangle approach
 
Re your second question, there was here years ago, a thread devoted to reading BACHMAN'S BOOK, and featuring the participation of the author. Perhaps it is still accessible.
 
mathwonk said:
Re your second question, there was here years ago, a thread devoted to reading BACHMAN'S BOOK, and featuring the participation of the author. Perhaps it is still accessible.

thanks, i think that was for first edition but I'm not sure
 
The integral with 1 - a2 - x2 under the square root sign is just the same basic integral as the original one with just a2 - x2 under the the square too sign, if you substitute the expression 1 - a2 for the expression a2.

Of course, in any expression, anything under a square root sign is required to be non-negative. In the first example, should that be an "a" on the RHS, or perhaps a |a| ? (An "a" alone could be either positive or negative.)

The easiest way to check if an indefinite integration is correct is to check whether the putative integral can be differentiated to arrive at the integrand.
 

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