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The discussion revolves around a recent paper by John C. Baez and Alejandro Perez on the quantization of strings and branes coupled to BF theory. Participants explore the implications of this work, its connections to previous research, and the motivations behind the authors' approach. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of physics, particularly in the context of quantum gravity and topological theories.

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  • Some participants express confusion regarding the motivations and implications of the Baez and Perez paper, particularly its connection to previous works on exotic statistics in BF theory.
  • One participant suggests that Baez's approach may be more mathematical than physical, indicating a potential disconnect between physicists and mathematicians in interpreting the work.
  • Another participant proposes that the paper could represent a generalization of existing work on topological defects in higher dimensions, linking it to the broader context of loop quantum gravity.
  • There is mention of the potential for Baez's work to contribute to understanding matter as defects in topological theories, which has been explored by other researchers like Freidel.
  • Some participants speculate on the significance of the paper, suggesting it could lead to new insights or models, but express uncertainty about its immediate relevance or physical meaning.

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Participants generally do not reach a consensus on the motivations or implications of the Baez and Perez paper. Multiple competing views and interpretations are present, reflecting a range of understandings and expectations regarding the work.

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Participants note the complexity of the concepts discussed, including the nature of topological theories and their implications for quantum gravity. There is acknowledgment of the unresolved mathematical and conceptual steps involved in connecting these ideas to physical theories.

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  • #31
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The easiest thing to describe is the "moduli space of flat G-bundles" over any connected manifold M. Points in this are gauge equivalence classes of G-bundles with flat connection over M. This space turns out to be **


Thanks for providing this information which will allow many people here to better understand the context in which to see this work.

Cheers,

Careful
 
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  • #32
Careful said:
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Thanks for providing this information which will allow many people here to better understand the context in which to understand this work.
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Compliments on your side as well, Mr. Careful.
 
  • #33
marcus said:
Compliments on your side as well, Mr. Careful.
Well, I must confess I passively knew this classification result :blushing: but it got kind of in some more distant part of my memory. Hence, it was useful for me too in that respect (and nothing is better than an explanation by a good mathematical physicist who is actively doing this particular stuff).
 
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  • #34
john baez said:
Category theory is a general language for describing things and
processes - called "objects" and "morphisms". In this language,
the counterintuitive features of quantum theory turn out to be
properties that the category of Hilbert spaces shares with the
category of cobordisms - in which objects are choices of "space",
and morphisms are choices of "spacetime". The striking similarities
between these categories suggests that "n-categories with duals"
are a promising framework for a quantum theory of spacetime.
We sketch the historical development of these ideas from Feynman
diagrams, to string theory, topological quantum field theory, spin
networks and spin foams, and especially recent work on open-closed
string theory, quantum gravity coupled to point particles, and 4d
BF theory coupled to strings.
I wonder if there is an merit to the idea of a category where the objects ARE the morphisms. I'm thinking that in the very very early universe, when the universe was just a single particle (?), was the universe then an object or a process? Perhaps the two were indistinguishable at that point. I'm also thinking in terms of QCD where the particles (objects?) that give rise to the forces (processes?) are indistinquishable, the force carrier is the same as the particle being forced, IIRC. Any thoughts along these lines? Would this be the "dual" that you mention above? Thanks.
 
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Mike2 said:
I wonder if there is any merit to the idea of a category where the objects ARE the morphisms.

Actually, objects are really identity arrows, so everything is a morphism. The correspondence you propose, however, is too simplistic. Physically, an origin to a classical universe must be a complex entity - a morphism, sure, like everything, but one needs to understand exactly what kind, and this is not a simple question.

The duals might be dual Hilbert spaces, in the usual sense, or at a much deeper level, String type duals.

:smile:
 
  • #36
BTW Alejandro Perez will be in Utrecht in a few days giving a talk on the subject of this paper

the current seminar schedule is here
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~loll/Web/seminars/seminars.html

the date and title of the talk is

May 29 Alejandro Perez (Marseille): Quantization of strings and branes coupled to BF theory
 

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