Banach fixed-point theorem : Existence of solution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Banach fixed-point theorem to demonstrate the existence of a solution for a system of equations defined in a specific set. Participants explore the conditions under which the theorem can be applied, particularly focusing on the mapping and its properties within the defined set.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a system of equations and defines a set \( G \) where they wish to show a solution exists using the Banach fixed-point theorem.
  • Another participant suggests finding an upper bound for the Jacobian matrix by considering the constraints of the set \( G \).
  • Several participants discuss the implications of the condition \( \|\vec{x}-\vec{c}\|_{\infty}\leq 0.2 \) and how it leads to bounds on \( x_1 \) and \( x_2 \).
  • There is a proposal to refine the upper bound for the Jacobian matrix's first term, suggesting a specific calculation that yields a value less than \( 0.1006 \).
  • Participants calculate the upper bound for the second term of the Jacobian matrix, concluding it is less than \( 0.591089 \).
  • There is a discussion about the requirements for applying the Banach fixed-point theorem, specifically the need for the mapping to be a contraction and for the image of \( G \) under the mapping to remain within \( G \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to show that the mapping \( \Phi \) is a contraction and that \( \Phi(G) \subseteq G \) to apply the Banach fixed-point theorem. However, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific steps to demonstrate these properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the exact conditions required for the application of the theorem and the implications of their calculations. There are unresolved aspects regarding the completeness of the metric space and the nature of the mapping.

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Hey! :o

We have the system \begin{align*}&x_1=\left (5+x_1^2+x_2^2\right )^{-1} \\ &x_2=\left (x_1+x_2\right )^{\frac{1}{4}}\end{align*} and the set $G=\{\vec{x}\in \mathbb{R}^2: \|\vec{x}-\vec{c}\|_{\infty}\leq 0.2\}$ where $\vec{c}=(0.2,1)^T$.

I want to show with the Banach fixed-point theorem that the system has a solution in $G$.

I have done the following:

Let \begin{equation*}\Phi (x_1, x_2)=\begin{pmatrix}\left (5+x_1^2+x_2^2\right )^{-1} \\ \left (x_1+x_2\right )^{\frac{1}{4}}\end{pmatrix}\end{equation*} The jacobi matrix is \begin{equation*}\nabla \Phi =\begin{pmatrix}-\frac{2x_1}{(x_1^2+x_2^2+5)^2} & -\frac{2x_2}{(x_1^2+x_2^2+5)^2} \\ \frac{1}{4(x_1+x_2)^{\frac{3}{4}}} & \frac{1}{4(x_1+x_2)^{\frac{3}{4}}} \end{pmatrix}\end{equation*}

Then we get \begin{equation*}\|\nabla \Phi \|_{\infty}=\max \left \{\frac{2x_1+2x_2}{(x_1^2+x_2^2+5)^2}, \frac{1}{2(x_1+x_2)^{\frac{3}{4}}}\right \}\end{equation*}

We want to get an upper bound for that, don't we?

How can we do that? Could you give me a hint?

(Wondering)
 
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Hey mathmari!

Can't we find an upper bound by using that $(x_1,x_2)$ is in $G$?
That is, $0\le x_1 \le 0.4$ and $0.8\le x_2 \le 1.2$. (Thinking)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Can't we find an upper bound by using that $(x_1,x_2)$ is in $G$?
That is, $0\le x_1 \le 0.4$ and $0.8\le x_2 \le 1.2$. (Thinking)

We have that $$\|\vec{x}-\vec{c}\|_{\infty}\leq 0.2 \Rightarrow \|(x_1-0.2, x_2-1)\|_{\infty}\leq 0.2$$ That means that both are less than $0.2$, or not?
So we get $|x_1-0.2|\leq 0.2$ and $|x_2-1|\leq 0.2$, right? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
We have that $$\|\vec{x}-\vec{c}\|_{\infty}\leq 0.2 \Rightarrow \|(x_1-0.2, x_2-1)\|_{\infty}\leq 0.2$$ That means that both are less than $0.2$, or not?
So we get $|x_1-0.2|\leq 0.2$ and $|x_2-1|\leq 0.2$, right?

Yep. (Nod)
 
We have $$\frac{2x_1+2x_2}{(x_1^2+x_2^2+5)^2}\leq 2x_1+2x_2\leq 3.2 $$ or not? What about the second term? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
We have $$\frac{2x_1+2x_2}{(x_1^2+x_2^2+5)^2}\leq 2x_1+2x_2\leq 3.2 $$ or not? What about the second term?

Can't we do a little better?
$$\frac{2x_1+2x_2}{(x_1^2+x_2^2+5)^2}
\le \frac{2\cdot 0.4 + 2\cdot 1.2}{(0^2+0.8^2+5)^2} < 0.1006
$$
(Thinking)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Can't we do a little better?
$$\frac{2x_1+2x_2}{(x_1^2+x_2^2+5)^2}
\le \frac{2\cdot 0.4 + 2\cdot 1.2}{(0^2+0.8^2+5)^2} < 0.1006
$$
(Thinking)

Ah yes! And for the other one we have $$\frac{1}{2(x_1+x_2)^{\frac{3}{4}}}\leq \frac{1}{2(0+0.8)^{\frac{3}{4}}}=0.591089$$

So the maximum is less than $0.591089$ which is less than $1$. Does this mean that there is a solution is $G$ ? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Ah yes! And for the other one we have $$\frac{1}{2(x_1+x_2)^{\frac{3}{4}}}\leq \frac{1}{2(0+0.8)^{\frac{3}{4}}}=0.591089$$

So the maximum is less than $0.591089$ which is less than $1$. Does this mean that there is a solution is $G$ ?

Well, wiki lists:

Banach Fixed Point Theorem. Let (X,d) be a non-empty complete metric space with a contraction mapping $T\colon X\to X$. Then T admits a unique fixed-point x* in X (i.e. T(x*) = x*). Furthermore, x* can be found as follows: start with an arbitrary element $x_0$ in X and define a sequence $\{x_n\}$ by $x_n = T(x_{n-1})$, then xn → x*.


So if we consider $G$ to be the set of the metric space and $\Phi$ the mapping, then we would need that $\Phi(G)\subseteq G$, wouldn't we? (Wondering)
And we also need to prove that $\Phi$ is a contraction mapping, don't we? (Thinking)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Well, wiki lists:

Banach Fixed Point Theorem. Let (X,d) be a non-empty complete metric space with a contraction mapping $T\colon X\to X$. Then T admits a unique fixed-point x* in X (i.e. T(x*) = x*). Furthermore, x* can be found as follows: start with an arbitrary element $x_0$ in X and define a sequence $\{x_n\}$ by $x_n = T(x_{n-1})$, then xn → x*.


So if we consider $G$ to be the set of the metric space and $\Phi$ the mapping, then we would need that $\Phi(G)=G$, wouldn't we? (Wondering)
And we also need to prove that $\Phi$ is a contraction mapping, don't we? (Thinking)


So for these two do we have to show that $\Phi (G)\subseteq G$ ? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
So for these two do we have to show that $\Phi (G)\subseteq G$ ?

I believe so yes. (Thinking)
 

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