Banked Curve Problem: Find Radius with Friction Coefficients

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a car navigating a banked curve with specific parameters, including the angle of the bank, the car's speed, mass, and coefficients of friction. The objective is to determine the radius of the curve based on these factors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss different perspectives on analyzing banked curves, including the use of centripetal versus centrifugal force. There are attempts to express the forces acting on the car and how they relate to friction and gravity. Some participants express confusion about integrating the coefficients of friction into a mathematical framework.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the forces at play, while others are seeking clarification on how to set up the equations necessary for solving the problem. There is no explicit consensus yet on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of friction in relation to the banked curve, particularly distinguishing between static and kinetic friction. The original poster's understanding of the forces involved is still developing, indicating a need for further exploration of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



A car approaches a curve that is banked at 20 degrees. The minimum speed for the curve is 20 m/s. The car's mass is 1000 kg. What is the radius of the curve if the coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.5 and the coefficient of static friction is 1.0?


Homework Equations



I really don't know how to set up an equation for this problem. I understand that there are three forces acting upon the car, static friction, kinetic friction and force of gravity.


The Attempt at a Solution



I understand that the coefficients both are interpreted to be:

(vector)fk = u(k)N
(vector)fs = u(s)N
(vector)Fg = mg
 
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There are a couple of ways of looking at a banked curve problem, one using centripetal force and one using centrifugal force. I prefer the latter. Sketch your car on the slope and show the centrifugal force horizontally and outward. Gravity downward. Write expressions for the components of each that are parallel to the slope and straight into the slope. Then you can calculate the friction force.
 
Delphi51 said:
There are a couple of ways of looking at a banked curve problem, one using centripetal force and one using centrifugal force. I prefer the latter. Sketch your car on the slope and show the centrifugal force horizontally and outward. Gravity downward. Write expressions for the components of each that are parallel to the slope and straight into the slope. Then you can calculate the friction force.

I graphed everything out and fully understand where all the friction forces are. I'm still confused on how to interpret the coefficients in with a working mathematical equation.
 
At the "minimum speed" the parallel component of centrifugal force + friction just prevent the parallel gravity component from making the car slide down the slope.
At the "maximum speed" gravity + friction just prevent the centrifugal force from making the car slide up the slope.

The kinetic friction only comes into play when the car starts to slip. And it is less than the static friction so once it starts to slip, it will slip right off the road.
 

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