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I think maybe you want the 1's place the be the ##\frac{\pi}{10}##'s place?
The discussion revolves around the concept of expressing numbers in a base defined by the irrational number \(\pi\), denoted as \(Z_{\pi}\). Participants explore whether this set can be considered a group under addition and whether it is isomorphic to the set of rational integers. The conversation includes technical reasoning, challenges to definitions, and clarifications regarding the properties of the proposed structure.
Participants do not reach a consensus on whether \(Z_{\pi}\) forms a group or is isomorphic to the rational integers. There are competing views on the validity of the definitions and operations proposed, with significant disagreement about the implications of addition within this framework.
There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of addition and the representation of numbers in \(Z_{\pi}\). Participants highlight potential limitations in the proposed structure, including the treatment of irrational numbers and the implications of closure under addition.
If that's true then the 100s place should be ##10\pi##, not ##\pi^2##. But then the set is just the integers scaled by ##\pi/10## which again is not interesting.Jarvis323 said:I think maybe you want the 1's place the be the ##\frac{\pi}{10}##'s place?
@Atran, I don't believe you understand how numbers can be represented in different bases.Atran said:A proper number is expressed in \pi in a similar way as a decimal integer is expressed in base 2. For example, 4375_{\pi} = 4{\pi^3}+3{\pi^2}+7{\pi}+5.
This makes no sense whatsoever. In any usual number base, such as base-2, base-3, base-8, base-10, base-16, base-64, the digits used run from 0 up to, but not including, the base. In your list, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, ##\pi##, your "base" lies between 3 and 4.Atran said:The only exception I make is that the 10 digits are included when expressing a number with \pi. To clarify, the first positive such numbers are: 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,{\pi},{\pi}+1,{\pi}+2,...,2{\pi},2{\pi}+1,...5{\pi},5{\pi}+1,5{\pi}+2,...,9{\pi}+8,9{\pi}+9,{\pi}^2,....