Basic probability question (1 boy + 2 girls of a group of 7)

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving a group of 7 students, specifically focusing on selecting a team consisting of 1 boy and 2 girls from a mix of 5 girls and 2 boys. Participants are exploring different methods to calculate the probability of this selection.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of combinations to calculate the probability and question the validity of alternative fraction-based methods. There is confusion regarding the interpretation of the group composition and the setup of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to clarify the problem statement and the reasoning behind different probability calculations. Some participants have provided feedback on the methods used, while others are questioning the assumptions and interpretations presented.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity in the original problem statement regarding the composition of the group, leading to confusion in the calculations. Participants are also exploring the implications of adding probabilities from different events.

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Homework Statement
Lets image following problem.

We have a group of 7 students, where you are suppose to select a team of 1 boy and two girls. And that 5 of the team 3 girls and 2 are boys. What is the probability that a team consist of one boy and 2 girls?
Relevant Equations
k*l = number of combinations

K(n,r) = n!/r!*(n-r)!
I know this problem can be done as follows.
P(1 boy and two girls) = (C(2,1)*C(5,2))/C(7,3) = 20/35

My question can this be written as probility fractions? Meaning

Lets say if that (2/5*3/7+1/2*1/7)/(3/7) But that doesn't give same result? what am I doing wrong?
 
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MathMan2022 said:
We have a group of 7 students, where you are suppose to select a team of 1 boy and two girls. And that 5 of the team 3 girls and 2 are boys. What is the probability that a team consist of one boy and 2 girls?
You have a group of 7.
You want to form a team of 3.

But what does this mean: "And that 5 of the team 3 girls and 2 are boys"
Do you mean "5 of the group are 3 girls and 2 boys"?
???
 
.Scott said:
You have a group of 7.
You want to form a team of 3.

But what does this mean: "And that 5 of the team 3 girls and 2 are boys"
Do you mean "5 of the group are 3 girls and 2 boys"?
???
Sorry for confusion.

I meant to write the following, the 7 students consists of 5 girls and 2 boys. What is the probability of selecting a group of one 1 boy and 2 girls.

Using combination I can deduce that: C(2,1)*C(5,2))/C(7,3) = 20/35

But my question is I attemped also to calculate the result using fractions (see my original post). But can't get the same result? What am I doing wrong?
 
Writing meaningless fractions, as far as I can see. Where do you get those numbers from?

Explain your reasoning. We can't tell you what you're doing wrong if we don't know what you're doing.
 
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MathMan2022 said:
Homework Statement: Lets image following problem.

We have a group of 7 students, where you are suppose to select a team of 1 boy and two girls. And that 5 of the team 3 girls and 2 are boys. What is the probability that a team consist of one boy and 2 girls?
Relevant Equations: k*l = number of combinations

K(n,r) = n!/r!*(n-r)!

I know this problem can be done as follows.
P(1 boy and two girls) = (C(2,1)*C(5,2))/C(7,3) = 20/35

My question can this be written as probility fractions? Meaning

Lets say if that (2/5*3/7+1/2*1/7)/(3/7) But that doesn't give same result? what am I doing wrong?
An alternative method using direct probabilities is first to calculate the probability that you get BGG, which is:$$p(BGG) = \frac 2 7 \times \frac 5 6 \times \frac 4 5 = \frac 4 {21}$$You can then note that there are three likely equally ways to get one boy and two girls: BGG, GBG, GGB. So, the total probability of getting one boy and two girls is$$p = 3\times p(BGG) = \frac 4 7$$Which agrees with the answer you got by counting.
 
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The first solution is exactly what the probability written as a fraction is.
The second solution is a bad attempt to get the result using probabilities written as a fraction.
 
MathMan2022 said:
I know this problem can be done as follows.
P(1 boy and two girls) = (C(2,1)*C(5,2))/C(7,3) = 20/35
I hope that you understand why this works. This is all multiplication and there is no addition in this formula
MathMan2022 said:
My question can this be written as probility fractions? Meaning

Lets say if that (2/5*3/7+1/2*1/7)/(3/7) But that doesn't give same result? what am I doing wrong?
You are adding two probabilities together. I think that is wrong. What two events do those probabilities come from? When you add the probabilities of two events, you need to be sure that you are not double-counting their intersection.
 
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