Basic special relativity addition of velocities problem

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The problem involves the addition of velocities in the context of special relativity, specifically calculating the speed of a proton relative to a laboratory frame when given its speed relative to an electron, which is also moving at a significant fraction of the speed of light.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the relativistic velocity addition formula and the definitions of the variables involved. There is confusion regarding the roles of the velocities of the electron and proton in the formula.

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Some participants are questioning the definitions of the variables in the velocity addition formula and whether the original poster's interpretation aligns with the standard definitions. There is an indication that the discussion is productive, with participants attempting to clarify the correct application of the formula.

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Participants note discrepancies between their calculations and the solutions provided in a solutions book, leading to discussions about potential misunderstandings of the problem setup and variable definitions.

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"An electron moves to the right with a speed of 0.90c relative
to the laboratory frame. A proton moves to the right
with a speed of 0.70c relative to the electron. Find the
speed of the proton relative to the laboratory frame."

u' = (u-v)/(1-(uv/c2)) where u will be velocity of electron with respect to lab frame, v is velocity of proton with respect to lab frame and u' is their relative velocity. ie, u=0.9c, u'=0.7c

Solving for v yields 0.54c. But my solutions book says 0.98c? I am pretty sure they are wrong...it would be 0.98c if the proton were moving to the left with respect to electron...am i right?
 
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Aziza said:
u' = (u-v)/(1-(uv/c2)) where u will be velocity of electron with respect to lab frame, Correct.
v is velocity of proton with respect to lab frame
No, v is the velocity of the proton with respect to the electron
and u' is their relative velocity.

No, u' is the velocity of the proton with respect to the lab, which is what you were asked to find.
 
The proton is moving faster than the electron and in the lab frame the electron is seen as moving 0.90c so you know that the proton is moving faster than that in the lab frame.

I think you need to reevaluate your formula or what you are defining the variables as.
 
Janus said:
No, v is the velocity of the proton with respect to the electron


No, u' is the velocity of the proton with respect to the lab, which is what you were asked to find.

According to my book this formula was derived u' being the relative velocity and v being the velocity with respect to lab..
 
nvm i got it!
v would be the electron speed rel to lab and u' the proton speed rel to electron
 

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