Basis of image of linear transformation

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The discussion revolves around finding a basis for the image of a linear transformation defined by a matrix A, which maps from R^5 to R^3. Participants are exploring the implications of row reducing the matrix and determining the dimension of the image.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss setting up an augmented matrix for the transformation and performing row reduction. There are questions about the relevance of the null space solutions and how they relate to the image of the transformation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided row reduced forms of the matrix and are comparing their results. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables and the conditions for the existence of solutions. Guidance has been offered regarding specific values that yield vectors in the image.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the differences between the null space and the image, indicating a need for clarification on these concepts. There is also mention of specific calculations that may not align, suggesting potential misunderstandings in the row reduction process.

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Homework Statement


Find a basis of the image im(LA) of the linear transformation

LA: R^5 [tex]\rightarrow[/tex]R^3, x[tex]\mapsto[/tex]Ax

where

A =
1 -2 2 3 -1
-3 6 -1 1 -7
2 -4 5 8 -4

and hence determine the dimension of im(LA)

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the equation LA= Ax,

can i set up an augmented matrix of A and say, y1, y2 and y3 on the end? Then perform row reduction to get it into row reduced echelon form. Is that the right way to go about it? I will perform the calculation and update with it but any direction would be greatly appreciated.
 
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A has row reduced form of:

1 -2 0 -1 3 y1-2y3
0 0 1 2 -2 y3-2y1
0 0 0 0 0 y2-3y1-5y3

I have the solutions to the basis of the null space for A, how is this case different?
 
I rearranged the equations to get:

y3=2x1-4x2+5x3+4x5
y1=3x1-6x2+10x3-x4+7x5

Does this even have any use, I am just getting lost with this thing. Please help, urgent.
 
karnten07 said:
A has row reduced form of:

1 -2 0 -1 3 y1-2y3
0 0 1 2 -2 y3-2y1
0 0 0 0 0 y2-3y1-5y3

I have the solutions to the basis of the null space for A, how is this case different?
That is not what I get! You had to divide by 5 to get that "1" in the second row didn't you? In the last column, I get, for the second row, (y3- 2y1)/5 and, for the third row (5y3- 13y1-y2)/5. In order that there exist x such that Ax= y you must have 5y3- 13y1- y2= 0. That is the same as y2= 5y3- 13y1 so if you take y1= 1, y3= 0, y2 must be -13. <1, -13, 0> is in the image. If you take y1= 0, y3= 1, y2 must be 5. <0, 5, 1> is in the image.
 

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