Basketball Rules: When Does a Ball Come to Rest?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of basketball rules regarding when a ball is considered to be at rest during dribbling and shooting. Participants explore the implications of this definition in the context of officiating basketball games, particularly at the high school and college levels.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the ball comes to rest every time it is pushed back to the ground during a dribble, suggesting that even a brief pause may constitute a violation.
  • Another participant proposes that the definition of 'at rest' is crucial, indicating that if it means the ball's velocity is zero at any moment, then it does come to rest, but if it refers to a time interval, then it does not.
  • A third participant reflects on the measurement of the time interval during which the ball's velocity is zero, implying a potential challenge in defining 'at rest' precisely.
  • A fourth participant shares insights from a recent clinic, stating that the ball comes to rest at the peak of each dribble when vertical velocity is zero, but it cannot be held there with the hand providing upward force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of 'at rest' and its implications for the rules, indicating that multiple competing interpretations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of 'at rest' and the measurement of time intervals during which the ball's velocity is zero, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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Hello all,

I officiate high school and college basketball. One of our rules concerning a dribble states that any time the ball comes to rest in a dribbler's hand, it is a violation. I won't concern you with all of the details of our argument, but I will pose a question that if answered like I believe it will be, will support my side.

When dribbling a basketball, or even slapping the ball down with your hand, does the ball come to rest everytime it is pushed back to the ground? However short a time it may be.

Or when a ball is shot and bounds off of the backboard, does the ball "come to rest" on the backboard before changing direction?

Thanks in advance for your responses, Seth Smiley
 
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It depends on how you define 'at rest'. If 'at rest' means the velocity of the ball is zero at any time then the answer is yes. If ' at rest' means the velocity is zero at a time interval (can be small but different from zero) then no.
 
just had a flash back

Wow I just had a flash back to my last physics class. Anyway, I'll bite. So you're telling me that the "time interval" when the ball has a velocity of zero cannot be measured?
 
I just took a scorekeeper's clinic last week where the officials were talking about this rule (it's CYO basketball, and we follow the standard high school rules). The ball will come to rest at the top of each dribble (vertical velocity goes to zero), and it can pause there briefly, but it cannot be held there with the hand supplying the upward force. Most of our kids don't have big enough hands to hold the ball in that position anyway. Palming the ball is a separate issue.
 

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