Battery that expires in a circuit

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a battery with internal resistance and its behavior in a circuit with an external load resistance. The participants explore the relationships between current, energy, and power as the battery approaches expiration after delivering a total charge.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of Ohm's Law to determine current and the conditions for maximizing current and power. Questions arise regarding the treatment of the battery as it expires and whether it can be compared to a charged capacitor. There is also exploration of the energy derived from chemical reactions within the battery.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made attempts to derive values for load resistance that maximize current and power, while others are clarifying the implications of these values. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between resistance, current, and energy output without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, which includes specific questions about maximizing current and power, as well as delivering a certain percentage of energy from the battery. The discussion reflects uncertainty about how to approach the battery's expiration and the equations applicable to this scenario.

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Problem 5: Current, Energy and Power A battery of emf ε has internal resistance i R ,
and let us suppose that it can provide the emf to a total charge Q before it expires.
Suppose that it is connected by wires with negligible resistance to an external (load) with
resistance L R .
a) What is the current in the circuit?
b) What value of L R maximizes the current extracted from the battery, and how
much chemical energy is generated in the battery before it expires?
c) What value of L R maximizes the total power delivered to the load, and how much
energy is delivered to the load before it expires? How does this compare to the
energy generated in the battery before it expires?
d) What value for the resistance in the load L R would you need if you want to
deliver 90% of the chemical energy generated in the battery to the load? What
current should flow? How does the power delivered to the load now compare to
the maximum power output you found in part c)?




2. Homework Equations
Kirchoff's rules
V = IR
I = -dq/dt




3. The Attempt at a Solution
I'm assuming for part a, a simple use of Ohm's Laws would yield I = (Emf / (Ri + RL)
I don't know how to treat a battery that expires. Is there a set of equations for it? Or should I treat it was if it is a charged capacitor? Even if it is a charged capacitor I'm still a little clueless as to how to start this and what equations to use.
 
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read it more carefully ...
this battery has constant Voltage , constant internal resistance , constant load.

so , looking at your equation for I , what value of RL makes it biggest?

What kind of Energy does charge obtain from the chemical reactions?
 
Ah I see, that makes it more straight forward. Given I can only get smaller as R_L increases then wouldn't the largest value of I arise from R_L having a value of 0? That appears trivial though. Also, I'm assuming the energy would simply be Q*emf?
 
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Update, I think I figured this one out, please let me know if I made a mistake:
b) R_L = 0
E = Qemf
c) Took the derivative of the power and set it equal to 0 to get R_L = r. This would mean it gets half of the energy produced by the battery.
d) In order to get 9/10 of the energy produced by the battery R_L = 9r. The rest is self explanatory.

Thanks a bunch
 

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