Other Becoming an Engineer: Considerations and Personal Experiences

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Engineering is a challenging field that requires a strong foundation in mathematics and physics, and it is not suitable for those who struggle with these subjects. Prospective engineers should choose a discipline that aligns with their interests and passions, as this will enhance their motivation and success. Many students find engineering to be a demanding experience, often involving intense workloads and significant stress, but those who are truly interested in the field tend to thrive. Engineering offers diverse career opportunities and the chance to make tangible contributions to society, making it a rewarding choice for those with the right mindset. Ultimately, a career in engineering should be driven by passion rather than financial incentives.
  • #501


Hi,

I'm a 2nd year student in physics at McMaster University, hamIlton, Ontario, Canada. I was always strong in Physics and Chemistry, but my Math was lacking. It deffinatley takes a lot of hard work to do physics and engineering, as I found out the hard way.

Firstly you must ask yourself, science or engineering. If you need to see something real, like a product of some sort, then engineering is for you. If you like the more theoretival pprach, and like to ask big questions, then science would be a better choice. Do be honest I'm in that boat right now. Thinking of switching to engineering but not sure, plus I like aerospace, but its not a very common degree in Canada.

Next, its choose yur discipline time. This is totally what your preference is. Only you can make that descision. I suggest researching all of them, because soem are not what they seem. eg. chemical engineering is not chemistry, quite different, aerospace is not astronomy and materials is one of the more science based disciplines and has more chemistry then chem eng. Also its like a field such as automotive, microdevices or chemical production, its more like materials for other enginers, so it has a hand in all industries, but its mor production and processes rather than working specifically in the aerospace industry, for example. You make materials for aeospace , automotive, biomdiacl enginerrs etc.

As for schools, MIT Caltech, Berkely, Georgia Tech, Stanford, U of Michigan, are all top quality engineerign schools. There is also UCLA, Texas A&M too. In Canada Queens, Toronto, Waterloo and McMaster are as good as it gets, in Ontario, but I don't know much about the rest of Canada.
 
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  • #502


I'm in an engineering and science double degree and I'm actually thinking of dropping the engineering side. I've only taken very basic chem eng units and feel that they're too easy and unchallenging in the intellectual sense (too much plugging of values into formulae and other very structured stuff). I know it won't be same in later years but I'm not sure if I can spend years studying something I like but don't feel passionate about. So I'm thinking of switching to just science (pure maths and physics).

So I'm in pretty much the opposite position. How do I know if I will come to love engineering?
 
  • #503


mbisCool said:
How are job prospects in industry for physics phds relative to engineering phds? Are they about the same at this level?

it depends entirely on your specialty and skills. You will probably not get an industry job that is exactly related to your phD topic, but you may get a job because of the skillset or tools you used to get your PhD .

at the phd level there are relatively few jobs to begin with, regardless of your field.

most jobs in industry do not require a phd, nor does it help you to have one. unless you are in R&D.
 
  • #504


Do you think somebody who is average at maths and physics can do engineering?

In my maths and physics class I'm an average student in both subjects. I enjoy maths and physics and I aim to study an engineering course. I don't know if it is possible because engineering is a difficult course.
 
  • #505


I'm interested in mechanical engineering, but I'm afraid of ending up as a CAD jockey. How much mechanical engineering is hands on work? If I were to, for example, get a job doing jet turbine research & development, would I be working with the engine hands on? Or is it all CAD and computer simulations?
 
  • #506


Hello,

This is my first post.I read many posts on this thread.I am an electronics engineer student at a technical institute. After years of attending classes i realize that all engineering disciplines are strenuous and demanding.

When i get in a class i feel stupid,because i barely understand the lectures due to lack of sleep or other factors, i take notes and get back home to start the painful,time-consuming research to find relative material to study.I don't know how or if people manage to remember maths(calculus,algebra etc) after 3+ years they have completed their math modules,for me it is impossible to remember all of that stuff(too many formulas and details...).

Here is the critical question:you study maths,pass them all,after a few years,fatefully,you start to forget...what do you do then?!Eventually,as an engineer you are doomed to study lots of books and revise a lot,for life!Thus, think twice before enrolling in an engineer degree,because post-graduate study is endless and if you don't keep up HARD(studying)somebody else will do it and you will be soon out of job!

Does it worth struggling for an engineer degree plus the endless post-graduate studying while you can find ,a non-cubicle, decent job?A decent job which will allow you to enjoy different aspects of life apart from studying?I don't know.However,You can be an athlete(good athletes are multi-millionaires before the age of 23,some are married),a celebrity,an actor,a bus driver or whatever and leave a HAPPY life.They do not hold university degrees.

My point is,nobody will give you back your lost youth, it is not worth struggling to get a university degree and regret it later because it did not pay off,see universities as companies:they do not really care if you succeed,you pay for your education so as to graduate and work as a<<slave>> 8+ hours daily for industries in addition to post-graduate endless studying.I believe industries should always pay your education,not you,they have extravagant demands,let them pay for!

Time never reverts,second chance is a bit of a utopia.That hurts the most,even me...
 
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  • #507


I guess that's the problem with maths for the sake of engineering. If you love maths to bits, not a single hour of doing maths will be considered work. You'll remember every formula, every theorem without trying.

Likewise with engineering. People who study engineering not because they love engineering will have unfulfiling lives. That simple.

Athletes train for hours every day until they are sore to the bone. A celebrity slogs through years of work as a mere extra, going for hundreds of failed auditions. A businessman works for years in the field they wish to do business in. They have to perfect it before starting out on their own. Some of them go bankrupt multiple times before turning millionaire. There's no way to avoid hard work. But it's not work and your youth is not wasted if you enjoy it.
 
  • #508


mynick said:
Hello,

This is my first post.I read many posts on this thread.I am an electronics engineer student at a technical institute. After years of attending classes i realize that all engineering disciplines are strenuous and demanding.

When i get in a class i feel stupid,because i barely understand the lectures due to lack of sleep or other factors, i take notes and get back home to start the painful,time-consuming research to find relative material to study.I don't know how or if people manage to remember maths(calculus,algebra etc) after 3+ years they have completed their math modules,for me it is impossible to remember all of that stuff(too many formulas and details...).

Here is the critical question:you study maths,pass them all,after a few years,fatefully,you start to forget...what do you do then?!Eventually,as an engineer you are doomed to study lots of books and revise a lot,for life!Thus, think twice before enrolling in an engineer degree,because post-graduate study is endless and if you don't keep up HARD(studying)somebody else will do it and you will be soon out of job!

Does it worth struggling for an engineer degree plus the endless post-graduate studying while you can find ,a non-cubicle, decent job?A decent job which will allow you to enjoy different aspects of life apart from studying?I don't know.However,You can be an athlete(good athletes are multi-millionaires before the age of 23,some are married),a celebrity,an actor,a bus driver or whatever and leave a HAPPY life.They do not hold university degrees.

My point is,nobody will give you back your lost youth, it is not worth struggling to get a university degree and regret it later because it did not pay off,see universities as companies:they do not really care if you succeed,you pay for your education so as to graduate and work as a<<slave>> 8+ hours daily for industries in addition to post-graduate endless studying.I believe industries should always pay your education,not you,they have extravagant demands,let them pay for!

Time never reverts,second chance is a bit of a utopia.That hurts the most,even me...


I'm in first year ENG, and I'll agree, it's tonnes of hard work.

First half of the semester, I thought I could not make it through four years because I was studying 24/7 trying to absorb everything. LIfe was very stressful. I got to a point where I told myself 'f*k' it, I'm not going to try and ace everything, I'll just absorb whatever time permits. So I did that.

I started to go workout again, playing sports, and taking one day off on the weekends. With all this time away from the books, somehow I was able to absorb and understand the material more easily. Instead of 2 hours trying to understand a calc proof, it took me only 30 minutes etc.

So, moral of my story... balance is key. Dedicating all your awake hours to studying is not effective as one might think.
 
  • #509
Sci/Eng or something else?

Hello.

I'm sure this is a question that has been asked countless times in- and outside this thread, but I couldn't find anything that specifically matched my current circumstances.

I'm a student that just completed high school, and am going to start in a college this January. I plan to do first year university studies there (tuition fees are cheaper), and then transfer to a university in Canada (the plan is UBC, right now) in 2010. I'm a relatively good student when it comes to academics, and I am typically able to always score at least 85% in all courses I've ever taken in school (mainly English, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Maths, History, Computer Science and Geography). Among the bunch, Math is probably my weakest.

Until recently, I've never really worked hard or did my homework or anything. I was always attentive in class, but I never did any sort of revision and always left assignments and studying for exams till the last minute.

That had to change when I started having trouble in a Math course. My grades crashed, and I literally had to work hours and hours everyday doing the homework just to understand the topics in the course. In the end, though, it was worth it since I passed the class with over 90%. I mention this because I earlier stated that I rarely work hard, but I can and will work hard if I have to. I probably spent thrice the energy on the aforementioned course than I've ever spent on any other course. Ever.

Since then, my interest in Math has gradually increased and I tend to think I'm somewhat better in the subject than I used to be, since I understand more of why things work rather than just applying a fixed method to solve a particular type of problem.

I think that I'm decent in both Physics and Chem -- I'm very interested in both, especially Physics.

I've always wanted to get a bachelor's degree in Engineering (until now, I'm still torn between Mechatronics, Engineering Science, Aerospace, Chemical and Electronics), work as an engineer for a few years, and then get a Master's/PhD in Physics. After reading this thread, however, I don't think I have what it takes to be an engineer OR a scientist. Several reasons:

1. I'm introverted (although I've felt that I've become slightly more sociable in recent years), and I generally dislike working in groups. I often find it difficult to take initiative and begin a conversation with someone. If the other person starts to talk first, though, I usually have no trouble in the ensuing conversation. In some cases, I have no choice but to talk first -- I can do this, but it feels really awkward and uncomfortable for me. If the other person is chatty, the feeling often disappears, otherwise, it may remain. Regarding groups, I sometimes feel that the group members bring me down or hold me back. I'm not arrogant, honest, but that's the way I feel. On the other hand, sometimes I get into a great group, where everyone participates and the workload is equally shared -- I often enjoy these experiences a lot, since there's someone to talk to and ease the monotony of the tasks at hand.

2. I like designing things, and understanding why things work, and often want to improve pre-existing things, but I'm really clumsy when it comes to doing the handywork. I'd probably weld my hands together if I had to use a welding machine (or whatever the proper term is...). As such, I often prefer the theoretical part of things rather than the application. On the other hand, I enjoyed whatever physics and chemistry lab work I had to do for my courses - it was great to see how theory is in practice. :)

3. I like abstract concepts, even those that might have no real application whatsoever, but I really want to "change" things, like, make a difference in the world.

4. If I get a science degree, I'd probably be involved in research. What happens if I don't discover anything or the research is a complete failure? I'm not very good at teaching either, so a university lecturer is out of the question, I think.

I considered the double degree in Engineering and Science, but I'm not sure if I can handle the load. I'm afraid I'll degenerate into cramming for exams if I don't have enough time or something.

Does anyone have any recommendations on what I can do? Any particular branch of Engineering or Science that I can go to that (even remotely) matches my profile? Thank you.
 
  • #510


Rocket_guy said:
and yes ...for about difficult studies regarding engineering .. I never found anything that was "difficult" .. although I needed a lot of practice .. but the studies are volumes and volumes like vast oceans ... enough to keep u busy from making anything u really dreamt to make during ur 4 years degree course!

I am Electronics Engineer. I did not find the study to be very difficult. I hope if you are good at maths, there sjouldn't be any big problem. However the homework assignments were the real trouble for me.

I had been electronis hobbiest since my early schooling. However during my degree program really had no time to do anything interesting. But I was satisfied that now I was going to know how the things acutually work. It was fun to know of my earlier mistakes and misconceptions.
 
  • #511


walk_w/o_aim said:
After reading this thread, however, I don't think I have what it takes to be an engineer OR a scientist. Several reasons:

1. I'm introverted (although I've felt that I've become slightly more sociable in recent years), and I generally dislike working in groups. I often find it difficult to take initiative and begin a conversation with someone. If the other person starts to talk first, though, I usually have no trouble in the ensuing conversation. In some cases, I have no choice but to talk first -- I can do this, but it feels really awkward and uncomfortable for me. If the other person is chatty, the feeling often disappears, otherwise, it may remain. Regarding groups, I sometimes feel that the group members bring me down or hold me back. I'm not arrogant, honest, but that's the way I feel. On the other hand, sometimes I get into a great group, where everyone participates and the workload is equally shared -- I often enjoy these experiences a lot, since there's someone to talk to and ease the monotony of the tasks at hand.

2. I like designing things, and understanding why things work, and often want to improve pre-existing things, but I'm really clumsy when it comes to doing the handywork. I'd probably weld my hands together if I had to use a welding machine (or whatever the proper term is...). As such, I often prefer the theoretical part of things rather than the application. On the other hand, I enjoyed whatever physics and chemistry lab work I had to do for my courses - it was great to see how theory is in practice. :)

3. I like abstract concepts, even those that might have no real application whatsoever, but I really want to "change" things, like, make a difference in the world.

4. If I get a science degree, I'd probably be involved in research. What happens if I don't discover anything or the research is a complete failure? I'm not very good at teaching either, so a university lecturer is out of the question, I think.

I considered the double degree in Engineering and Science, but I'm not sure if I can handle the load. I'm afraid I'll degenerate into cramming for exams if I don't have enough time or something.

Does anyone have any recommendations on what I can do? Any particular branch of Engineering or Science that I can go to that (even remotely) matches my profile? Thank you.
I'm an Aerospace Engineering student almost Junior now. (in fall '09 I will be)

1) Don't worry about this too much for now. I'm also an introvert to a certain extent. If you really like the subject (in which you explained that you do) eventually you will want to exercise people to people skills to get stuff done. For the most part you have plenty of time to work on it and/or decide if you really care that much for it to keep engineering i.e. You dislike group work so much you find engineering distasteful? I don't know what ever happens. But you don't have to worry too much about it now. Depending on your course design at the college you are at now there will be courses that involve this and will help you :)

2) Excellent, you are the essence of a design engineer. I have felt that way also for a long time now :D

3)Another great quality of a true engineer.

4) Don't worry about that now. Just focus on techniques to keep your grades up. As you soon find out later you will be doing self study and/or self research of your own because of an interest in your degree or a specialized area of it. (At least I do =D )

In my experiences its very important to develop study habits early on (this is only my second semester at a large institution so I had to learn quick)

Its great to set career goals from now ( or even maybe one years time? - it took me 2 - but my story is a little different) because it gives you greater focus in terms of what to study and what is required of you.

As has been stated over and over in this eternal thread. Math ability is 100% essential. In my opinion, seeing sophmores/juniors struggle with calc2 integration techniques is horrible...it happens but I think it shouldn't (as an engineer at least)

My final tip to you sir is constantly pay attention to details, all the time everywhere. Even if it feels silly at times. If someone is left handed notice it. If you accidentally missed units on your homework notice it. In my opinion this will help you develop excellent engineering skills and train you to become a great engineer! ( I don't know of which engineer doesn't pay attention to detail)

Good luck on school btw. P.S. Aerospace engineering roxxx ;)

Edit: as to your double degree... it all depends. Feel it out, check how many courses you can handle each semester. I'm not sure how Double D's go but my best guess is to spread out the load over a few semesters
 
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  • #512


walk_w/o_aim said:
Does anyone have any recommendations on what I can do? Any particular branch of Engineering or Science that I can go to that (even remotely) matches my profile? Thank you.

I ran out of space on my other thread =p

Well as far as recommendations its really difficult. It depends on what aspects of the world interest YOU. For me fluids seem amazing, so complex yet beautiful. So I want to learn all I can about them in engineering so I choose Aerospace Engineering. Now I do like engines and such so Propulsion is my focus. However I still like aeronautics (study of aeroplane body mechanics and materials)! :S but I think jet engines are cooler so they prevail =D

See how the process is? If you have no focus, simply broaden your degree. Most people choose Mechanical Engineering. You can get into nearly any other engineering field after. I've seen stories where many people have switched from ME to AE successfully.

Again good luck!
 
  • #513


I hate to ask this for fear of offending someone, but here it goes:

I like (and am quite good at) math, computer programming and science. However, I'm concerned about going into Electrical Engineering because although the pay is good, I don't think I could do the work I see some EE's do (much like what PhysicalAnomaly and cdotter were describing). I'm not trying to be rude, but I chronically feel worried that I'll end up doing something repetitive. Should I choose another career path, or are my observations just off the mark? I have high A's in all of the math classes I've ever taken, and self-study new math for fun, so the environment of pure mathematics has always been an inviting possibility in the back of my mind. However, engineering seems like too good of a gig to let go of. Again, maybe EE's do a lot more than what I've seen. Can someone who has gone this route give me some advice?

_Note that I'm not berating anyone, I'm just trying to clear up something based on personal observation._
 
  • #514


Engineering too good to let go off? Do you mean the glamour and the paycheck? Because if you do, I know what you mean. But I was inspired by stories of monks who gave up their riches to live an ascetic lifestyle. It's hardly as bad as that... but your days will be exciting... hopefully. =O
 
  • #515


enlight me more. I am a A level student about to choose. and dwiddling between mechanical or nuclear??
 
  • #516


From what I've gathered:

Engineering Technician: Blue collar, assists and works under a supervision of a "real" engineer. They are the ones who build/maintain/repair the Engineer's design. It's easier to find a position since many technicians work for a company.

Engineer: They design from the ground up, like goodies such as Mech Warriors in video games, Mars Rover, targets and weapons, etc. Harder to find a position since companies only require a small team of engineers, maybe even 1?

Are those pretty accurate descriptions?

What do you think is better for someone who is 20 years old, does not want to work while in school (full focus on school), average intelligence (but hoping neuroplasticity takes it course):

1. Stay in school for a continuous 7 years. Why? Because I'll need to go to a community college for General Arts and Science and then transfer to a University for an undergraduate degree.

2. Stay in college for an advanced diploma, 3 years completing a 3-year technician course. Then work full time for 2 or 3 years to save money, and then continue education for an undergraduate degree.

3. Get realistic and just stick with the 3-year technician degree due to the fact that some people will sadly get filtered out from the course because they really can't do it. My average intelligence further increases my chances of being in this other group. In reality is becoming an engineer as a career choice too unrealistic? I.e. very low chances of getting the right job/position after graduating?
 
  • #517


djeitnstine, thanks for your detailed reply. I really appreciate it. :) I'm sorry I couldn't reply earlier - classes sort of got in the way. :P

djeitnstine said:
As has been stated over and over in this eternal thread. Math ability is 100% essential. In my opinion, seeing sophmores/juniors struggle with calc2 integration techniques is horrible...it happens but I think it shouldn't (as an engineer at least)

Right. I'm taking Calc I right now, and doing my best. It's really quite interesting, but we haven't actually gotten to integration yet. I'll keep in mind that I should master Calc II integration by the time I complete the course. :)

djeitnstine said:
My final tip to you sir is constantly pay attention to details, all the time everywhere. Even if it feels silly at times. If someone is left handed notice it. If you accidentally missed units on your homework notice it. In my opinion this will help you develop excellent engineering skills and train you to become a great engineer! ( I don't know of which engineer doesn't pay attention to detail)

Edit: as to your double degree... it all depends. Feel it out, check how many courses you can handle each semester. I'm not sure how Double D's go but my best guess is to spread out the load over a few semesters

Thank you for the advice. I've been trying to do this as well. I was in the bus this morning, and tried it... I saw a whole bunch of new stuff I normally wouldn't have spared a second glance at. Again, very interesting, even if I haven't really gotten anything out of it yet (considering I've been doing it for like... a day? :))

As for the double degree, I'm not quite sure either. At the moment, I'm doing both courses required for 1st year Physics and Engineering, so hopefully I can decide when the time comes to declare my major whether I would like to take Engineering (current choice), Physics, or both.

djeitnstine said:
I ran out of space on my other thread =p

Well as far as recommendations its really difficult. It depends on what aspects of the world interest YOU. For me fluids seem amazing, so complex yet beautiful. So I want to learn all I can about them in engineering so I choose Aerospace Engineering. Now I do like engines and such so Propulsion is my focus. However I still like aeronautics (study of aeroplane body mechanics and materials)! :S but I think jet engines are cooler so they prevail =D

See how the process is? If you have no focus, simply broaden your degree. Most people choose Mechanical Engineering. You can get into nearly any other engineering field after. I've seen stories where many people have switched from ME to AE successfully.

Again good luck!

Again, thanks for the advice and the luck. :)
 
  • #518


I came across this thread, and thought I might be able to shed some light on what it is like to be an electrical engineer, since someone asked about it earlier, but first I'd like to mention a little about my background and also address the three thread questions. After graduating with a BSEE, I've been working in industry as an engineer for 4 years now (defense & non-profit), plus I had three internships in college (startups and commercial), so I've seen what different companies can be like. I currently work in defense, but my boyfriend, who is materials scientist/engineer with a PhD, works in the academic world. We both love our jobs, and feel that we made the right choice for ourselves.

-Should I become an engineer?
I think it's really hard to say for sure whether someone should or shouldn't become one, because I think if you are curious about engineering, or any profession, you should try it out for yourself, rather than have someone steer you either way. It's a great idea to explore internships and co-ops through your high school college counselor, or your college career center, and see if you can get a summer engineering job. Additionally, you can go to local job fairs and talk to engineers at different companies and ask them what they do. It's going to vary based on whether you are planning to work in the military, private for-profit, non-profit, defense, university, etc. You can also ask whether a company will allow you to "shadow an engineer" for a day at work. That is a good way to see what people do. To start off with, if you are interested in math and science, that is a great starting point. I think it's important to like problem-solving, no matter which engineering or science discipline you enter. Don't be discouraged or intimidated to explore this career option, because it can be very rewarding.

-What engineering discipline should I study?
I think the discipline is a very personal choice, and you should base it on what types of things you might enjoy doing. I disagree with anyone who may tell you that one discipline is better or more stable than another, because I have friends in civil, aero, mechanical, computer science, computer engineering, chemical, physics, materials, biomedical, industrial, optics, environmental, systems, etc, and they are all doing well. I read one person's thread that seemed to mention that sales engineering is not so great, and I think that is not necessarily true. It's probably not a good idea to start off as a sales engineer if you don't have a strong background, because you'll be required to answer questions about your product, but I have a friend who started as a hardware designer, then took a sales engineer position a few years ago, and has steadily moved up in his company. He interfaces with very important customers in Europe and Asia, and really loves his job. It's a huge mistake to try and jump on the bandwagon just because people tell you this discipline sucks or this one is more superior, or the economy seems to favor a certain discipline, etc. True, it is smart to know how in demand the discipline is, but if you don't love what you're doing, you will ultimately fail at it, so it's important to base your decision on what types of things interest you, and not on what is cool or popular. Most people are biased towards the discipline they studied, and it's really to your detriment to not explore all of your options, because this is your life. I would suggest going to monster.com or some other job hiring website, and search on the different disciplines to read about what they do. Additionally, don't be afraid to email companies and ask them if you can speak to someone there about their job duties. If you are worried about the heavy math with a particular discipline, I would try it first, and if it doesn't suit you, there are majors in engineering technology, which do not require as much math. In general, you can cannot generalize entirely what one discipline will end up doing at a job. In additional to designing hardware, I have also written a lot of software, which I never thought I would be doing, but I enjoy it. I've also had the change to interface and work closely with people in mechanical, aero, computer science, computer engineering, physics, math, and a whole slew of other disciplines in my job, which has made it a lot of fun. I have a lot of respect for all the disciplines, because without them, companies would not be able to produce a final product. You need all of them to get to the end result. If I wanted to, I could go back to school and get a Masters in another discipline, so you can always change your mind later and switch to a different job. It's not the end of the world if you realize you want to do something slightly different.

-Is engineering difficult?
I think that depends on how someone would define engineering. The schooling to get your degree is challenging, and you have to study a lot, but it's well worth it, and you will learn so much about yourself in the process. You can always get help from study sessions and utilize office hours. Most people do struggle at some point with their coursework, but this is expected, and don't get discouraged. If you are worried about the workload, I would make sure you buddy up with students in your major, and also utiltize all your university resources in order to help you succeed. There are student chapters for organizations like IEEE, ASME, etc, that can be your refuge when you're feeling alone. I think that it's also very important to find out whether the school you are planning to go to has a high dropout rate, or whether they have support systems in place for students. I know a few friends who transferred to different universities, because they were not satisfied with the resources available to them, so it's good to do homework up front so you have less of a chance of dropping out. In the workplace, it's challenging to be an engineer, because you have to problem-solve with the tools available to you, and sometimes that means learning a new tool, or thinking outside of the box to come up with a solution. Sometimes it means reusing an existing idea, but making it much better, which can also be difficult. Teamwork is a big part of my job, and that can be a challenge at times, because to make decisions, you need the team's consensus, and people have different experiences and opinions. In the end, it's fun and interesting to work in a team, and to see from other peoples' perspectives.

I've rambled on, but I hope you can tell that I've had a lot of fun in my various engineering jobs so far, and I've been lucky enough to travel for my job to some interesting places, and meet a lot of great people. The possibilities are endless for you if you do your homework on what you will make you the happiest, and take the time to know yourself better when making a decision! Your job will only be as exciting as you make it. When you graduate, if you want a repetitive job, there are some of those available, but there are plenty of stimulating jobs, too. If you don't like something you are doing, speak up and ask for something different, and if that doesn't make you happy, apply to another company, or explore graduate school options. Good luck to you all who are deciding right now...
 
  • #519


I just came across this thread and had to sign up to thank everyone who contributed.

I'm 31 and within the next few years (old HS credits are outdated) I'm returning to university for engineering (electrical specifically). I've always had a passion for computers (my current career) but I've always felt something was missing. After many years of "soul searching" and realizing what my actual deepest passions were, I'm excited to be back on track.

I'll definitely post about my first experiences on campus when the time arrives.

Thanks again. :)

EDIT: Just noticed all of the lego comments. I played with lego from ages 3/4-10 and even went to Lego shows between those ages. When I look back into all of my interests as a child, and reading all of your posts, I'm amazed I never looked into this field before.
 
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  • #520


hey is there anyone from MIT here??
 
  • #521


I'm in high school right now and applying for univeristy. There's two programs that can get me where I want to be, I be a theoretical physicist. There's physics major at Uof Toronto that can get me there and there's EngSci at UofT. The problem is that I know I will enjoy physics major more but that means I will have stay at UofT for grad school, or I can take the less enjoyable EngSci and a 15% chance go to US for grad school. (I really want to go to US for gradschool) Which one should I choose??
 
  • #522


I'm a junior in EE/Physics, and I was just curioius:

How much of your education do you use on a daily basis? Do you really use all the math?
 
  • #523


John.C, good luck to you, I hope you follow your passions.

jeyzi, I am not from MIT, but my boyfriend went there for his Masters, so if there is something you want me to ask him, I can do that for you.

Bright Wang, I am sorry, but I don't know how to recommend a better way to come to the US for grad school, other than to contact the admission offices of the grad schools in the US and ask them what educational path will help you get into their school, sorry.

elimenohpee, I majored in electrical engineering, and I'd say that I use my education every day at work, but in different capacities. University teaches you a lot of different things, like not only just math, but also general reasoning and problem solving skills, which you have to use all the time at work to make decisions. I don't have to use all the math every single day, but when I am implementing an algorithm in software, I have to apply my understanding of math to develop such algorithms to be executed in the software. Also, my group develops controls, so we use transfer functions in MATLAB/Simulink for our control systems modeling. For electronic circuit design, you are sometimes using equations as basic as Kirchoff's Laws, which is algebra, but you can use more advanced math from school, like Fourier transforms, in filter design. The amount and type of math you use every day in your job really depends on what you pursue in terms of a job once you get your degree, because the number of jobs you can get with an EE/Physics background can vary a lot depending on your interests. Some jobs require more math more often than others, but all of them require some math. I hope that helps a little.
 
  • #524


Hi,
I'm here to put a question which i want to know the answer though this thread might not be the right place but among all the threads present in the forum it looked the more appropriate.
If not please advice me to put my question in which thread.

My situation is.

I'm a engineer.(CS). completed 9 years before. done IT. done teaching. done Government.in between lost time also because of the sort of semi forced changes and health ( Neuro related )
during Major also almost 4 year time was not exactly properly used ( again Nuero and other )
coming to my interests Top physics , second Maths third Other Sciences( except zoology and botany but animal (human) biology yes) and English and later my mother tongue and literature and finally history.I used to score 98-100(1).98-100(2).85-90(other sc)60(Bot, Zoo), 85-90(Eng), 70-85(other Lang,liter),60-80(History and other social subjects)

So I picked Eng. rode the wave swung with it initially with my non-performance tide and later with the triggered Nuero tide and finally completed the degree with full knowledge as good as any of my classmates but without the percentage.
After that because of the time waste(as seen by people) and less marks job was different.
could also be said that i stuck to it as I'm as good as anybody out there without time waste and more marks.
so teaching then government . ( left a chance of higher studies with gate 97 percentile thinking about marriage )
later again Nuero problem.
people may not agree but it is not always the psychiatric(if I'm considered one . ) patient who is major source of the problem , but sometimes of course rarely the doctor is the major source and patient added along him self and he will be the one who falls.
again time taken to heal and back in business.
this time in IT. for 2 full years.
Now the Slow Down hence cost cutting to the point of humiliation.
(Well one can always argue my performance was not better.let us not walk that line now for varied reasons )
So I thought enough is enough. out right resigned and back to preparation for any thing enjoyable and suitable.
So back to gate(Feb 09). might get 98 percentile (500 rank ) might not get IIT.
exploring all options.
how about physics/Maths after B.E.(CS) and after 6 year countable exp. and 13 yr. uncountable but equivalent exp. almost good in management as any ( but won't take a path even if known it is profitable. but will take it if one likes it, despite of possible road blocks cause he backs him self )
Please share your views and i will be very grateful and if this not the correct thread please advise me where to put it.
thank you guys and gals.
Do forgive me for the length.
 
  • #525


Sorry
forgot to add
i like all i mentioned.
End.(computers and others) . physics and maths
and even other sciences and English and literature and I love them and can live with them.
Money is a priority but not the highest priority so can be said no effect(contribution) input.
As some guy said in some other post a superstar in physics earns a lot.
for me if i can put my effort to become a super star that's fine for me.if i become a super star
ok. if not then also fine.
here in IT they are not allowing me put my effort. they want my effort but in their defined way and i know for sure in the end my 100% effort will be worth only 10% useful , cause that's how my manager handles it. i don't want it to happen in my future career.
and last but not the least i have no fear that i won't be stuck in some thing which i might not like.
like say before entering i thought i would like it. but after entering taking into account the specific conditions present in that case i might not enjoy it. Thats ok for me. i always have the option of changing options. might not sound that good or logical. but I'm willing to take the risk.
 
  • #526


elias hellou photos
 
  • #527


I intern in IT for a financial company.

Do something you're happy with and interested in. Losing either will make the decision not as good.

Honestly I love physics so much more than IT, but I find IT easier, because it takes considerably less skill to work with, and I don't think I'm going to discover anything very important in physics. But I'm just 18 I'm not quite there yet.
 
  • #528


can I get a job making bombs if I go into nuclear engineering? I've always been fascinated by atomic bombs.
 
  • #529


With regard to the idea of talking to engineers and/or shadowing an engineer for a day, this can be good and this can be bad. The problem is that the information gained is very specific to what that particular engineer does, so it may or may not reflect what your later experience will be.

I recall talking to an engineer while I was a student and asking how much he used calculus. He said, "What?" He never used calculus of any sort. That bothered me a bit because I like math a lot. Well, in my own life as an engineer I have used calculus and a lot of other mathematics extensively, but I never did the sort of engineering that man did.

In answer to renob, a nuclear engineering degree will be exactly zero qualification for making atomic bombs.
 
  • #530


Hmm, I applied for Physics at decent UK Unis, and am happy with my choice as I don't really like practical work *that* much although I will aim towards applied physics.. but I hated Design Tech at school which is apparently what engineering is similar to.

As we don't have a major/minor system in the UK, would I be able to do an MEng or PhD in Engineering with a BSc or MPhys in Physics if I found that it interested me more?
 
  • #531


alexgmcm said:
Hmm, I applied for Physics at decent UK Unis, and am happy with my choice as I don't really like practical work *that* much although I will aim towards applied physics.. but I hated Design Tech at school which is apparently what engineering is similar to.

As we don't have a major/minor system in the UK, would I be able to do an MEng or PhD in Engineering with a BSc or MPhys in Physics if I found that it interested me more?

You can apply to MEng right after high school. I am finishing high school this spring and just received a conditional offer to MEng in Electrical and Mechanical engineering at Strathclyde (Glasgow). I'm thrilled. Can't wait to get to study there. I still have exams to pass but I know the grades I'm supposed to achieve and so I know on what to concentrate.
 
  • #532


kbaumen said:
You can apply to MEng right after high school. I am finishing high school this spring and just received a conditional offer to MEng in Electrical and Mechanical engineering at Strathclyde (Glasgow). I'm thrilled. Can't wait to get to study there. I still have exams to pass but I know the grades I'm supposed to achieve and so I know on what to concentrate.

I'm sorry I wasn't clear.. The MEng course you specify is a four-year course with an integrated masters year as its final year. An MEng can also be a one-year masters course for those who have done a BEng.

I am curious as to whether I can study an MEng or a PhD in Engineering after getting an MPhys or BSc in Physics as I would have covered much of the maths and PhDs are often open to a variety of applicants so I can only assume that Masters degrees are the same?

Does anyone know?
 
  • #533


I'd like to thank everyone here for all of the time they've spared so that this place can be such a huge database for aspiring engineers. Thanks to you, I've been able to decide on which degree to pursue. I'm going for my Bachelors in MechEng, with hopes of getting into a great graduate program in either Aerospace or Nuclear eng. For the first time in my life, I've made a school/career decision that was based on the question "What do I want to do" instead of "How much money will I make?" That being said, the practical questions have to come up at some point, and they finally have.

Now that I've decided on what I'm doing, it's time for me to learn how the job markets for these degrees are. Let's assume I've got a masters degree in either Aerospace or Nuclear eng from a school like MIT (since this is my plan), and the recession is over. How competitive is the job market and how quickly does one regularly find a job after school? Also, how often are students in internship programs that promise full-time positions after graduation?
 
  • #534


There is a forum for everything! I am happy to find this. I am 31 years old. H.S. diploma, nothing more than Algebra II. For the past 13 years I have worked at a public drinking water treatment plant. I worked in mechanical type work for 9+ years and was able to transfer to the engineering dept. as an Engineering Tech. to the present. I have seen a number of expansions, upgrades, complete demo's, entire plant constructions, etc. I am very mechanical minded. I have worked with 4-6 different civil & structural engineers. I feel like I could be a Civil Engineer.

With my lack of math knowledge, is this a dream?

I am a disciplined person. There is generous tuition reimbursement / flexible scheduling. I could work p/t and school f/t. It will most likely be 5-7 years before the next 'major' construction project begins. I am looking for honest answers.
 
  • #535


Duct Sock, sure it can be done, but it will not be a cake walk. A lot depends on how many other obligations you have to deal with as well. If you can handle it all, by all means, go for it.
 
  • #536


Thank you.
 
  • #537


Brilliant! said:
Now that I've decided on what I'm doing, it's time for me to learn how the job markets for these degrees are. Let's assume I've got a masters degree in either Aerospace or Nuclear eng from a school like MIT (since this is my plan), and the recession is over. How competitive is the job market and how quickly does one regularly find a job after school? Also, how often are students in internship programs that promise full-time positions after graduation?

Well a little about me, I'm a Junior AE student regularly checking up on the job market. Also my school Embry-Riddle has a 95% job rate and these successful students are mainly qualified only with a BSc in AE - I think MIT has similar numbers - also I have yet to check the MScAE/MAE numbers. The market is fine, you will always be able to find a job once: there is a military, people want to fly commercially, we want to head to space and once cars are being made. Also, there is a shortage of AE's in the market because many of them are old and retiring. I could go on and on but you get the point =].

Although it is *relatively* easy to get a job it still IS competitive. MScAE/MSAE would get you very far...just about every other place a BScAE can't =].

Also after school how quickly you find a job depends on a lot of things such as: where you apply, what you want to do, what you're qualified for, what the market is looking for etc...
 
  • #538


Hi! Sorry to revive an old thread, although it seems that it's been alive for years anyway with intermittent activity.

Anyway, my situation is this: I study in Austria, where getting into university isn't a problem at all and the courses are basically free (at the moment I pay 17 euros a semester uni fees). I'm nearing the end of my 2nd year in international development (mix of economics, philosophy, sociology, politics and history), which I mistakenly took for a degree that would really motivate and interest me - turns out it's mostly a BS degree people do when they don't know what to study. One day in a particularly dull class I had an epiphany: I need to get out of humanities. After quite a lot of research and asking people, I've now narrowed it down to my two finalists: civil or electrical engineering.

Problem: I was pretty lazy in high school and dropped most sciences when I was 16, and I also did the lowest level of maths possible. Up until then though I always had excellent marks in those subjects. I've always had a fascination with the way things - especially electronics - work, but not being that good at understanding the way these things worked I never even thought about becoming an engineer, apart from maybe working on an oil rig because I absolutely LOVE scuba diving and I was told it was one of the few jobs you can do and survive off as a diver.

Nothing came of that dream and I did social sciences. My god is it dull, I am sick of looking at useless philosophical / social / economic theories. I'm sick of the endless pointless search for definitions. More importantly I've realized that I just don't move in those circles and most of the people I have things in common with are studying some form of engineering (or IT, but I don't want to do that). They've all given me some pretty decent advice but I'm a person who can never have enough ideas/options/pointers, so I'd like to ask a few things:

1.a) Do you think it's possible for me to catch up on the maths and physics I missed in my last two years of high school over the summer if I work hard at it? It's been 3 years since I did any at all (had to take a gap year, we have military service), 5 since I did any physics.
1.b) If so, which areas of maths and physics should I concentrate on and up to what level?
2. Are there any engineering jobs where I can work in developing countries that don't involve oil rigs?
3. I'm pretty hyped up about doing this - it feels right. It's like I'm getting my life back in order after wasting two years. Am I dillusional?

Right, thanks in advance for any answers!
 
  • #539


walasaka said:
1.a) Do you think it's possible for me to catch up on the maths and physics I missed in my last two years of high school over the summer if I work hard at it? It's been 3 years since I did any at all (had to take a gap year, we have military service), 5 since I did any physics.
1.b) If so, which areas of maths and physics should I concentrate on and up to what level?
2. Are there any engineering jobs where I can work in developing countries that don't involve oil rigs?
3. I'm pretty hyped up about doing this - it feels right. It's like I'm getting my life back in order after wasting two years. Am I dillusional?

1a. yes, if you have a natural ability or have learned how to study well since being in college
1b. start with calculus, where you have issues in algebra and trig you need to go back and fill in those holes. Do an entire calculus book. Next move on to differential equations and linear algebra. If you get calculus hammered down, you can cover diff eq and linear algebra as extra courses during the school semester if it is too difficult to teach yourself.
2. Yes, civil and electrical can find work almost anywhere really.
3. No, its a good thing that you want a challenge. Just go at it with all seriousness and you will succeed, aptitude was a minor part of success from what I saw with others. Its about drive and willing to put your studies as a top priority.

It sounds like civil might be a better bet if you don't want to wait and learn ALL the math. You will still need to complete calculus courses officially in most curriculum, but if you can learn it on your own before you go back to classes, you will be able to catch up with the rest of your courses more easily. Civil is much less rigorous in mathematics.

Civil will also get you more in the field of what you were previously studying than EE would. Civil engineers have to work a lot with the community, governments, and they must do a lot more interaction with other businesses and people I think in general (there are exceptions). My friend works for a construction company and he has to deal with sub-contractors, engineers, city inspectors, Environmental Protection Agency, and other groups. He is aware of a lot of the laws for his particular project.

Now, if electronics interests you, and you have the time and energy, I would always suggest EE because it is more rigorous, more challenging, and has a wider range of applications and opportunities. I wouldn't go into EE for money, as you can make a lot as a civil too if you get the right job. If you want to open your mind to the world, and learn things past the practical, then EE is also a better choice as you get into more theories, physics, and mathematics in your course work and curriculum.

I did EE, and it took me 5 years. I'm glad I stuck with it and struggled (I had self-discipline issues, not aptitude problems) instead of going to something easier like civil, because I ended up resolving my issues and learning a lot of really cool stuff at the same time. I also have experienced working in the private industry for 2 years and an internship and there are a lot of issues with that, especially concerning compensation (this might be different in Europe). My EE degree has given me a lot of opportunities though, and I've been accepted into a physics grad program in Europe, which says a lot coming in as an American EE.

I've quit my job recently and have been preparing for grad school ever since, and I'm at my computer studying a lot, so if you try to pick up calculus or another subject and have questions feel free to ask me. <personal email removed>
 
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  • #540


Hello.

I would like to ask a question that I haven't seen before.

How easy is it to go from, say a BEng in electrical/electronic engineering to a MSc say in physics?

This is the situation I find myself in. I have been in contact with a few uni's here in the UK, and the people that have replied to me seem to think that it would be ok. But I wonder about the actualy differences in the work. I mean, I would be encountering stuff in the physics course that I wouldn't have come across in the engineering classes.

Now I am taking some extra physics courses with the open university, to try and strengthen up y physics understading, but I still wonder how an engineering student would fare out in a physics course.

Thanks for any advice.

Sean
 
  • #541


I have a question. I'm pretty good at math and science, but I'm absolutely horrible at understanding how things work and assembling things together. Am I cut out to be an engineer? (Please be honest)
 
  • #542


Does Engineering have a lot of memorization involved? I only say this, because the toughest class that I took at my college is General Biology (the second semester of it only). The part that really killed me was memorizing phyla and classes, etc. I have no patience for memorizing what can be looked up if you ever need it, in my opinion. It just really frustrated me. I need to know what I am getting into. I know it is mainly problem solving, but how much memorization is actually involved. The thing I like about math is that you don't really need to memorize much, since mostly it builds on itself and you can derive many things or use a calculator.
 
  • #543


llauren, if you don't like memorizing, i would say that you will like engineering, since it is more about understanding a certain concept and applying it to different problems/situations, than just memorizing thousands a facts (i hate that).

One of our lectures said that you still have to memorize the basic facts, because it will look a bit unproffesional if you pitch up at work with all your textbooks "just in case you need to look up somenthing", but then we said, that's why we have laptops and the internet. :wink:
 
  • #544


Probably should have read this thread a long time ago. This may be long winded, and if that's the case, sorry in advance.

I will continue to read each page of this thread, but at this point it kind of looks like each person's situation is different, so I'll put mine out there and hope for some feedback.

Currently I am a part time student in my late 20's. I started 2 years ago and this is my pathetic resume thus far:

Eng 101/102
Math 108, 143, 144, 170 (calc 1, barely passed with a C, probably should have gotten a D, rumor has it that this class has a roughly 65% failure rate, so maybe that's why I squeaked through? A lot of the people in my class were there for the 2nd/3rd time)
Macroecon
Psych 101

The past 2 years I've worked full time nights and taken 2 classes per semester. I pay for my tuition as I go, trying very hard to avoid loans up until the end. Next summer I will start milking credits as well. Hoping to have this done by my early 30's.

I dropped out of HS, so I basically had a 10 year break between classes. Growing up I was very mathmatically inclined, so I decided to try and shoot for a computer engineering degree. Problem is, I'm by no means an egghead. Had I continued from HS straight to college, maybe. But at this point and after a ton of pot, I'm really questioning wether or not this is a realistic goal. Will it be possible to work full time and take extremely hard classes and still try to maintain some form of a life?

I really do love solving problems. I have yet to do any real engineering classes or science for that matter, so I don't know if I'm truly barking up the wrong tree. A lot of the posts here have suggested not doing it for the money. But honestly with the economy and job availability of the past five plus years, it seems like getting a degree that most cannot obtain, basically guarentees you a life of work and being well compensated for it.
I've been the jack of all trades at every single job that I've been at, but without a degree, there's no real chance of being fairly compensated.

As you can see I'm only taking classes that will transfer easily to another degree if that has to happen. Because I'm paying out of pocket, I do not want to pay for too many extra classes if I don't have to.

What classes should I be looking forward to, to really find out if I'm cut out for it or not? I'm thinking Calc 2 in a few weeks will probably be one of them, but what else? Just trying to find the best "turn back now" point or ideally the "you are golden" point. Oh yah, regarding calc 2, I really really enjoyed math up until calc 1. There's some stuff that was very interesting to me, but then some just seemed above and beyond me. This class was where memorization killed me. Prof didn't let us use calculators in class for anything. Every formula had to be memorized. This is extremely difficult for me. I know I need to cut back on the chronic, but still, I know when I'm out in the "real world" since I've been there for awhile, that I will have tools and whatever else I need available to me at the drop of a dime.

My backup degree would probably be ITM or possibly CM. I'm very proficient at computers, been building and upgrading for 15 years now, but you still can't get paid for that unless you have a degree. Problem is, seems like other than business, the next most popular degree is in computers. Sure, there will be jobs for most of them forever, but will they pay anything worthwhile? I'm still guessing that ITM will max at 45-65k/year?

Probably should leave it at that. If there's anything else I may have mistakenly left out, let me know. Thanks again for any feedback given.
 
  • #545


Silentbob, your name gives away your habits. =) I have a similar story to yours. I used to smoke and I recently gave up all juvenile (in my case these things seem juvenile now because they limited me so much...others may or may not be limited by such things) habits like pot and staying out very late several times per week. I did return to school this year, Fall 2008. I continued with Calc2, not having taken calc1 since 2002. Let me tell you something it is not easy to take such a huge break from math but if I can do that, anything is possible. I passed calc2 with a A. The grades were curved, but either way, I was still at the top of my class. I studied so hard. I was relearning calc1 at the same time as learning call2. I didn't work though and went to school full time. Calc three came so much easier. I literally missed 11 classes. They were 1 hour classes ...so I missed 11 hours of the class per week (20% of the total hours in the semester) ans still managed an A-. I'm not saying do this, because I did have to teach it myself. I just didn't want to go to class on a Thursday when it was my only class and it takes 1hour to get there. 2hr commute for 1hr class...ehhh...maybe you can see my reasoning. Okay, I wrote a lot but the point is that returning to college is not easy when you have been away from the setting. You should try another calculus class and see how that goes and maybe even some physics. Keep in mind that you are paying for these classes, so the more you put into them the more you get out. So if you study and do your homework, you are sure to get better grades than if you don't.
 
  • #546


Silentbob888 said:
I know I need to cut back on the chronic, but still, I know when I'm out in the "real world" since I've been there for awhile, that I will have tools and whatever else I need available to me at the drop of a dime.

It is my advice that you cut weed out of your life completely if you are serious about a professional career. If you are going to rely on sources other than your brain when working in the 'real world', you will find it very difficult to be proficient at your job. The "just Google it" mentality will not always be an option; e.g. when you are making a presentation for management. It will look very silly if you need to pull out your laptop during your presentation to Google something you should have retained from your studies.

I am in no way trying to discourage you from pursuing the engineering profession; I just want to make sure you have realistic expectations. Working full time while going to school is challenging enough. If you are serious about your future, stop smoking dope. The negative effects that accompany such a habit will only hinder your progress.

-Robert
 
  • #547


Well, I'm new to the forums and (must say, great forum you guys have here) I am in a bit of a dilemma here.

I have read many of the comments in this thread and some have lead me to have my usual doubts about engineering and technology. I'm attending the University of Houston in Houston Texas, USA declaring my choice major of study in Computer Engineering Technology. I have always wanted to take a field of study such as this as long as I have been intriuged by how things worked in the world.

My dilemma, I'm not very good at math due to me not having the best teachers growing up, yet I always tried. Science, it always depended on the lab that we would do in school. I guess I always liked science. But anyways, I have researched on many things that engineers do and I always wanted to be in a group where we would build something magnificent that many people could benefit from. Yet math always held me back.

I am always interested about learning in my leisure and when I'm busy doing other things. I just want to know that I too can be successful at engineering technology if I tried really hard and focus alot. I know that because I am not like many others that are good at math, I guess I just want to find a computer engineer that also started off rocky and with hard work, understanding the information given he or she too became the engineer that they always wanted to be.

I know the teachings will be difficult, I knew this when I started loving how things are created in the world to help others. I ready to start ripping my face off trying to perfect my math skills and appreciate the things I will be doing once I get the degree.


I guess I just need a step in the right direction. I hope this is it. So Should I become an engineer, I believe I can. Been catching up in math all summer I better.
 
  • #548


I am in a similar situation. However, let's look at it a different way. This is college, its almost a blank slate if you let it be. You may need to work harder, but in all honesty you can be what you want to be. There are really unnecessary pressures added onto high school students. Also, really bad math teachers... Especially in middle school where I think it is most crucial. As a result I am slow as hell as math... however, i find I am still faster than most in my classes.
 
  • #549


Well that makes me feel much better about the situation. I already knew as soon as i feel in love with Technology and Engineering, that I was going to have problems mathematically and scientifically. It's not the high school pressure, its the pressure going on about me not at least making a C+. But yeah, like you said, I do need to work harder. As long as I can at least set short term goals for my ultimate long term goal, I should be fine right?
 
  • #550


Here is a question for you guys. I have a Liberal Arts degree. I started on this path when I was young and stupid. Not that their is anything wrong with Liberal Arts. I'm very good at math, and have an obsession with Robotics. I have built three very simple Robots thanks to sites like Letsmakerobots, or societyofrobots. I am now 23. But I believe that I missed my calling. Engineering in general is fascinating and rewarding. Should I sink in thousands of dollars, and destroy myself with all the time and hard work it would require to go back to school for an EE degree? I don't have a GOOD job. I'm a waiter. I make enough to "live". Am I stuck for life? Has anyone ever heard of someone going back after they have already gotten a degree for Engineering? My family and friends think I am crazy. It's probably true, but I want to hear you guys say it.
 
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