Behind the border off the universe

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The discussion centers around a participant's unconventional interpretation of relativity theory, proposing that the speed of light should be considered zero and that consciousness defines the boundary of the universe. The conversation explores the implications of this idea, including the nature of time and light, and involves mathematical reasoning related to time dilation and length contraction.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the theory of relativity should be inverted, proposing that light speed is zero and that consciousness is the true border of the universe.
  • Another participant warns about the speculative nature of the ideas presented and refers to forum guidelines regarding independent research.
  • A participant expresses a desire to explore the concept further, indicating that philosophical discussions may be more appropriate for the ideas presented.
  • Mathematical calculations are provided to illustrate time dilation and the experience of time for a photon versus a spaceship traveling at 80% of light speed.
  • Concerns are raised about the use of time dilation versus length contraction in the mathematical reasoning presented.
  • One participant draws a parallel to Nikola Tesla's unfinished theories regarding movement through space and time.

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There is no consensus among participants. Some support the exploration of the proposed ideas, while others challenge the speculative nature and adherence to forum guidelines. Disagreement exists regarding the mathematical interpretations and the appropriateness of the discussion within the forum's context.

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Participants express uncertainty about the validity of the proposed ideas and the mathematical claims made. There are references to the need for substantial support for speculative theories, and concerns about the formulation of the arguments presented.

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I would like to tell you my idea about the relativity theory. Scientist should put the theory upsite down so that the lightspeed is zero and that we are moving tru time with the speed off light. Our own conciousness is the real border off the universe sipmly by the fact that tommerow does not exist yet. Light is like a trail what stands still while we are moving tru time. I can prove the stilness off light with 2 pieces off rope. The simple fact is, that if time stands still at lightspeed, there is nog possobility off movement at all.
 
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I see that you have had you previous two threads locked. There is an independent research forum for private research with supporting evidence / proofs . I think you should read the forum guidelines.

~H
 
"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."

I just will try again to tell you my idea..
 
rudeonline said:
"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."

I just will try again to tell you my idea..

I am not saying that you shouldn't share your idea nor am I saying that your idea is rubbish, I am just pointing out the forum guidelines.

Overly Speculative Posts:
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I was just warning you that your thread is likely to be locked and/or deleted.

~H
 
free association/thinking apparently not allowed...

..might better move u'r idea over to the philosophy side of the fence..
 
Start u'r idea there...others will join in the exploration of time and litespeed
 
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phylosophy and science are the same thing. All science started once with filosophy. My idea is simple to prove with math our 2 pieces off rope.

First I will show you the math..

I start a trip to a galaxy 10 lightyears from here. I have travel with 80% lightspeed.


t = s / v
t = 10 / 0,8 = 12,5 it will take me 12.5 year.


formule of timedilattion
t' = t * Sqrt(1-v2)

on board off the ship it take's me..
12,5 * Sqrt(1-(0,8*0,8) = 12,5 * 0,6 = 7,5 year


What if it's not a spaceship but a photon..
From the poin off view on Earth it take's him 10 years but..

For the fhoton it will take..

10 * Sqrt(1-(1*1)) = 0 year.

The distance for the photon is..

0 year * 1c = 0

From the point off view of the photon there is no distance at all.
 
formule of timedilattion
t' = t * Sqrt(1-v2)

on board off the ship it take's me..
12,5 * Sqrt(1-(0,8*0,8) = 12,5 * 0,6 = 7,5 year

You need to use length contraction not time dilation. If you are on the spaceship you will see no time dilation. Only length contraction. I haven't bothered looking through the rest. Also, I cannot see where your two peices of rope come into it.

~H
 
rudeonline said:
I would like to tell you my idea about the relativity theory. Scientist should put the theory upsite down so that the lightspeed is zero and that we are moving tru time with the speed off light. Our own conciousness is the real border off the universe sipmly by the fact that tommerow does not exist yet. Light is like a trail what stands still while we are moving tru time. I can prove the stilness off light with 2 pieces off rope. The simple fact is, that if time stands still at lightspeed, there is nog possobility off movement at all.

Hello,
What leads you to think that way? I'd like to hear more about what you've said. Can you also explain the experiment with 2 pieces off rope?

Similar, yet not the same idea was by Nikola Tesla. In his unfinished theory, he believed that we move through space and passage of time is caused by our movement through space.

Anyway, thanks
 
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This is not the place for idle speculation or "free association" :rolleyes: . As Hoot suggested, you are welcome to submit your idea to the Independent Research Forum, subject to the applicable guidelines, found https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=82301.

My suggestion: Learn a bit about special relativity.
 

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