Expansion is a compounded error based on a wrong assumption?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of an expanding universe and the implications of redshift observations in cosmology. Participants explore alternative explanations for redshift, particularly the idea that photons may lose energy over distance, challenging the conventional understanding of the Big Bang and dark energy.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that the redshift observed in distant galaxies could be explained by photons losing energy as they travel, rather than an actual expansion of the universe.
  • Another participant mentions that many models of energy loss in photons, such as "tired light," have been proposed but do not align with current evidence.
  • A different participant asserts that the Big Bang theory does not claim the universe originated from a single point but rather evolved from a hot dense state.
  • One participant emphasizes that the idea of tired light has been extensively discussed and refuted by experts in cosmology, suggesting that it should not be considered further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the tired light theory and the interpretation of redshift. There is no consensus on the alternative explanations for the observed phenomena, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on interpretations of redshift and the nature of the Big Bang, which may depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not universally accepted. The discussion reflects ongoing debates in cosmology without reaching definitive conclusions.

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I accept that what I write below will be unpopular and argued with vehemently, however I think it should be considered with an open mind and recognised for the sense that it has.

Originally the concept of an expanding universe (and therefore by extrapolation the concept of the Big Bang that must have initiated it) all came from the simple observation of a red-shift in most observed galaxies, with the Doppler shift increasing as the distance to the observed galaxy increased.

This lead to the logical deduction (at the time) that the over-all entity was expanding... and must therefore have started from a single point at some point in the past - ie: Big Bang.

Why then is it that we find it easier to come up with increasingly complicated theories that have culminated in the most recent puzzle - dark energy - rather than explore the possibility that photons lose (or convert) energy as they travel.

As it lost energy - for whatever reason, but surely one that must be as easily or more easily described than the workings of dark energy - it would red-shift. Giving the appearance of distant galaxies moving away from us. And as light traveled through even greater distances of space it would lose still more energy, red shifting still further, and giving the appearance of more distant galaxies traveling away from us even faster than those closer to us. Which, of course, would give the over-all appearance of the entire structure expanding away from us when in fact it was just an illusion.
 
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Tired light is a tired theory long since refuted. That aside BB does not assert the universe originated from a 'point' it merely asserts it evolved from a hot dense state.
 
Dry said:
I accept that what I write below will be unpopular and argued with vehemently, however I think it should be considered with an open mind and recognised for the sense that it has.

It was discussed with an open mind at length and in detail for decades by the best minds in cosmology. As a result of those discussions it has been refuted. It is not up to PF to consider theories which have already been refuted by mainstream science. Thread locked.
 
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