Being a vegetarian for health reasons

[ehrenfest]

This is seriously simple stuff that you should have learned in elementary school.

Considering the fact that such a high percentage of the American population is obese, overweight, or whatever, I think this is NOT something most people learn in elementary school (or in higher grade levels for that matter).

 

[Evo]

I was not home-schooled. They definitely do not teach you how to be a vegetarian in elementary school. Maybe I should know what a cup is...but what else are referring to? I go to subway because it is one of the few places nearby (in walking distance).

I'm referring to all of your recent threads. From a sociological aspect it appears that you were sequestered until you went to college.

Seriously, for example, you want to become a vegetarian. Go to the library and get some books. Look online. It doesn't take much common sense to figure out what you need to eat. You do not need to take it down to grams of anything. And if you do, you have been provided links that will calculate that for you. More important than how much something weighs is understanding how to combine things to get complete proteins and adequate fiber, minerals, and vitamins. You will probably consume more than you need if you maintain a healthy weight. When in doubt take a multi-vitamin.

 

[Moonbear]

Considering the fact that such a high percentage of the American population is obese, overweight, or whatever, I think this is NOT something most people learn in elementary school (or in higher grade levels for that matter).

They are taught it, they choose to ignore it later. You certainly should be taught about basic weights and measures...ounces, cups, pints, quarts, milliliters, liters, etc. sufficient to follow nutrition recommendations you find online. No, you won't be taught how to have a vegetarian diet, because the recommendations for a balanced diet include meat and dairy products, but you should have the basic knowledge to be able to read a nutrition label and understand it.

 

[ehrenfest]

I'm referring to all of your recent threads. From a sociological aspect it appears that you were sequestered until you went to college.

OK. You probably do deserve to know a little more about my past. Here's the quick story. I went through the American K through 12 school system in a pretty nice suburban public school district. Neither of my parents had careers in science or math and neither of them knew any advanced science or math. In fact, the same holds for everyone in my extended family as well.

High school introduced me to the excitement of math and science. I just finished my second year of college. I am majoring in math and physics. The courses I have taken over these two years and the students and professors I have met have opened up my eyes to mind-bogglingly new ideas. The math professors I have had, especially, have given me a entirely new different type of adult role model than my parents have. In general, the interactions I have with other people as a math and physics major have been shockingly different than the interaction I had when I lived with my parents.

This has led me to try to apply the kind of things I learned in math and physics courses to my personal life. I am just trying to take a more scientific/mathematical approach outside of the classroom. I have been going through all of the things I do by "habit" or that my parents taught me and asking myself if they really make sense. I find that a lot of them do not. The result is that I am adopting many new practices and I have a lot of questions about them. Sorry if I sound like a big baby.

 

[ehrenfest]

Moonbear, this is a post that you wrote from another thread:

A lot of people completely misunderstand the current recommendations for a healthy diet (yes, this is a MAJOR flaw in the design of the Food Pyramid that nobody knows how to "read" it) and are completely overeating breads/grains.

Color added for emphasis. I don't see how this is consistent with saying that everyone learns this stuff in elementary school.

 

[Evo]

OK. You probably do deserve to know a little more about my past. Here's the quick story. I went through the American K through 12 school system in a pretty nice suburban public school district. Neither of my parents had careers in science or math and neither of them knew any advanced science or math. In fact, the same holds for everyone in my extended family as well.

High school introduced me to the excitement of math and science. I just finished my second year of college. I am majoring in math and physics. The courses I have taken over these two years and the students and professors I have met have opened up my eyes to mind-bogglingly new ideas. The math professors I have had, especially, have given me a entirely new different type of adult role model than my parents have. In general, the interactions I have with other people as a math and physics major have been shockingly different than the interaction I had when I lived with my parents.

This has led me to try to apply the kind of things I learned in math and physics courses to my personal life. I am just trying to take a more scientific/mathematical approach outside of the classroom. I have been going through all of the things I do by "habit" or that my parents taught me and asking myself if they really make sense. I find that a lot of them do not. The result is that I am adopting many new practices and I have a lot of questions about them. Sorry if I sound like a big baby.

You don't sound like a big baby, but you *do* seem to ignore the answers that are given to you.

It's great to question things as long as you can recognize when you are given the facts.

If you doubt the facts, do some research. Honestly, you will probably fair better here as far as getting straight answers than some of the junk that is out there.

 

[Moonbear]

Google healthy vegetarian diets and explore the links on the first page of results. Several good ones there. It's that easy. Look into combining foods to get complete proteins (the more variety of foods you eat, the more likely you are to get a complete protein). But, if you don't have a kitchen and are relying on food prepared by other people, unless you have a convenient vegetarian restaurant, you're going to have trouble staying healthy on a vegetarian diet. That's life in the US.

For the record, my parents didn't have any math or science background either...in fact, neither of them had anything past a high school education. I still knew how to fend for myself when I moved away to college.

As for dismissing what your parents did teach you, perhaps you shouldn't be so hasty about that. Rather than completely changing everything you do all at once, which seems to be leaving you rather confused and in a state of chaos, and instead of just emulating other people for rather irrational reasons as well (for example, just because someone is a scientist doesn't mean they have any healthier diet than those who are not scientists...I know plenty of unhealthy scientists...and it doesn't mean you're going to be a better scientist my mimicking them), take your time only changing little things at a time, seeing if they feel right, and deciding whether or not to stick with it after a trial period. For example, when your nearest food supply is either the cafeteria or Subway, it's probably not a good time to start a whole new diet. Instead, learn about the dietary options, taste vegetarian dishes when you have opportunities to do so, and when you have your own kitchen, learn to cook the dishes then. You don't even have to be 100% vegetarian. You might just decide that it's impossible to find food you like on that diet, and once in a while have a small piece of fish or chicken to balance things out.

And, above all else, use some common sense as you approach new ideas!

 

[Moonbear]

Moonbear, this is a post that you wrote from another thread:



Color added for emphasis. I don't see how this is consistent with saying that everyone learns this stuff in elementary school.

The food pyramid is not the only source of nutritional information. It didn't even exist when I was in elementary school. You seem to just want to ignore any advice given to you, as if you already know better than everyone else, yet show some majorly basic gaps in your knowledge. It doesn't make people want to help you much when you seem so unwilling to help yourself.

 

[ehrenfest]

Instead, learn about the dietary options, taste vegetarian dishes when you have opportunities to do so, and when you have your own kitchen, learn to cook the dishes then. You don't even have to be 100% vegetarian.

That makes sense. I think will try that.

 

[Cyrus]

Im eating salad right now. I like salad, its yummy. A good dressing my mom makes is olive oil, a tablespoon of balsamic vinaigrette, a pinch of salt and pepper, and half a table spoon of dijon mustard. The mustard is the most important.

For the salad itself, I like the one from the supermarket that has those 'weeds' type salad.

 

[Moonbear]

Im eating salad right now. I like salad, its yummy. A good dressing my mom makes is olive oil, a tablespoon of balsamic vinaigrette, a pinch of salt and pepper, and half a table spoon of dijon mustard. The mustard is the most important.

For the salad itself, I like the one from the supermarket that has those 'weeds' type salad.

Weed salad? Dressing sounds good...that's a basic vinaigrette, and yes, the dijon mustard is key to get it to taste good.

 

[lisab]

Im eating salad right now. I like salad, its yummy. A good dressing my mom makes is olive oil, a tablespoon of balsamic vinaigrette, a pinch of salt and pepper, and half a table spoon of dijon mustard. The mustard is the most important.

For the salad itself, I like the one from the supermarket that has those 'weeds' type salad.

Mmmmm. Yes, I agree...'wild greens' salad is delicious! Except the most important ingredient is the pepper...

 

[Cyrus]

But I don't like house salads. Tomatoes, maaaaaayyyybe. No carrots. I am more a cesar salad kinda person.

I just ate an entire bowl of salad. Probably enough for 4 people. But all the tomatoes are sitting on bottom of the bowl because I don't like them.

 

[Evo]

Ah, the mixed greens, usually baby leaves of the folowwing arugula, frisee, mache, spinach, raddichio, sorrel, oak leaf lettuce, endive, swiss chard,

 

[RocketSurgery]

I love salad. I have to force the tomatoes down though. Italian dressing for the win!

 

[Poop-Loops]

I NEED tomatoes in my salad, but it can't be too many, either. I love Thousand Islands dressing. LOTS of onions, LOTS of lettuce. Cucumber, garlic, green peppers, spinach, whatever else, is awesome. Croutons, too.

 

[RocketSurgery]

I NEED tomatoes in my salad, but it can't be too many, either. I love Thousand Islands dressing. LOTS of onions, LOTS of lettuce. Cucumber, garlic, green peppers, spinach, whatever else, is awesome. Croutons, too.

Now that sounds like an awesome salad except no lettuce and lots of spinach. I only like Thousand Island if chicken is involved though

 

[Moonbear]

I love salad and love tomatoes, but prefer not having salad dressing ON my tomatoes (a vinaigrette is okay, but other dressings I'm not too fond of on tomatoes), so will try to separate out the tomatoes a bit. Nothing where I'll leave them behind if dressing gets on them, just it doesn't thrill me much.

I like stuff like sundried tomatoes, onions, chick peas, peppers, shredded carrots (only if it's shredded, I don't want them in big chunks), mushrooms, hard boiled eggs (not crumbled, halves), some bacon (real bacon, not fake bacon sprinkle stuff), and yes, I like that spring mix lettuce with all the variety in it plus some extra spinach with it and radicchio (sp?). If I can get some sunflower seeds or pepperoncini, maybe tiny broccoli or cauliflower florets even better. Ooh, and sprinkle some shredded asiago cheese on it! Yep, I could make a whole meal of salad.

Usually, I prefer a balsamic vinaigrette, like Cyrus described. But, if i add a lot of additional vegetables, sometimes a French dressing (the red one, not the creamy orange one), or if I add a little fried chicken on it then some honey mustard or blue cheese.

Drat, still an hour until lunch! Now I'm hungry.

 

[rewebster]

Here's a picture of my favorite salad:









http://kaczmarskyj.com/images/family_recipe_images/steak%20and%20potatoes.jpg


it's that green thing on the left lower corner

 

[Moonbear]

Here's a picture of my favorite salad:









http://kaczmarskyj.com/images/family_recipe_images/steak%20and%20potatoes.jpg


it's that green thing on the left lower corner

Ick! What have they drowned that beautiful steak in? Sacrilege!

 

[RocketSurgery]

Ick! What have they drowned that beautiful steak in? Sacrilege!

Moreover why is it sooo red?!

 

[rewebster]

Ick! What have they drowned that beautiful steak in? Sacrilege!

I think it's pronounced-----'ahhhh...juice!'

 

[Moonbear]

Moreover why is it sooo red?!

Because that's the color it's supposed to be..it's RED meat!

 

[RocketSurgery]

Because that's the color it's supposed to be..it's RED meat!

Yuck. Put it back on for 10 more mins and bring it back.

Damn I'm getting hungry now. Breakfast time... Any salad recommendations?

 

[rewebster]

Yuck. Put it back on for 10 more mins and bring it back.

Damn I'm getting hungry now. Breakfast time... Any salad recommendations?

you can have my 'green thing' on the plate

 

[rewebster]

OK---test your IQ!


would you rather have this at a cozy neighborhood restaurant:

http://kaczmarskyj.com/images/family_recipe_images/steak%20and%20potatoes.jpg

for $25?




or this at a "higher quality place":


http://blogs.menupages.com/chicago/military%20chef.JPG


for $125?

 

[RocketSurgery]

you can have my 'green thing' on the plate

I'll take those potatoe thingys they look goooooood.

 

[RocketSurgery]

OK---test your IQ!


would you rather have this at a cozy neighborhood restaurant:

http://kaczmarskyj.com/images/family_recipe_images/steak%20and%20potatoes.jpg

for $25?




or this at a "higher quality place":


http://blogs.menupages.com/chicago/military%20chef.JPG


for $125?

The second one is the most disgusting thing ever. I wouldn't eat it if I got paied $125 per square inch!

 

[rewebster]

They're $57.50---ala cart

edit:
ohhh---I thought you talking about the potatoes on the second plate (if those are even potatoes!)

 

[Moonbear]

They're $57.50---ala cart

edit:
ohhh---I thought you talking about the potatoes on the second plate (if those are even potatoes!)

I've never seen potatoes carved into football shapes before. $125 for a sausage, funny little potatoes, and what looks like overcooked asparagus...or maybe it's some weeds picked from the front lawn? I'll take the steak and loaded potatoes, thanks.