Being a vegetarian for health reasons

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The discussion centers around the implications of adopting a vegetarian diet for health reasons, exploring the potential benefits and challenges associated with such dietary choices. Participants share personal experiences and seek advice on nutritional guidelines and conversions related to meal planning.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether being a vegetarian purely for health reasons is sensible, noting that balanced diets can vary widely.
  • Others highlight the importance of ensuring complete proteins through proper vegetable combinations, suggesting that including dairy may simplify a vegetarian diet.
  • Concerns are raised about the difficulty of finding reliable nutritional information, particularly regarding the conversion of measurements from cups to grams.
  • Several participants discuss the challenges of measuring food accurately without a kitchen scale, emphasizing the need for accessible nutritional guidelines.
  • Some express that nutrient deficiencies can arise from a vegetarian diet if not managed properly, referencing personal anecdotes.
  • There is debate over the practicality of converting volume measurements to weight, with some arguing that it complicates meal planning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the health implications of vegetarianism, with multiple competing views on the benefits and challenges of such a diet remaining unresolved. The discussion also reflects differing opinions on the practicality of nutritional measurement conversions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the conversion of volume to weight for various food types, indicating that the process may not be straightforward and can vary based on the substance being measured.

  • #61
Moonbear said:
I've never seen potatoes carved into football shapes before. $125 for a sausage, funny little potatoes, and what looks like overcooked asparagus...or maybe it's some weeds picked from the front lawn? I'll take the steak and loaded potatoes, thanks.




I'm waiting for someone to say, "but...


(and I wasn't meaning "but... ter, please!)
 
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  • #62
Nahh I was talking about on the steak plate. They look like those potatoe things with bacon that they have at my local diner.
 
  • #63
Moonbear said:
I've never seen potatoes carved into football shapes before. $125 for a sausage, funny little potatoes, and what looks like overcooked asparagus...or maybe it's some weeds picked from the front lawn? I'll take the steak and loaded potatoes, thanks.

Aren't the football things like frog eggs?
 
  • #64
RocketSurgery said:
Aren't the football things like frog eggs?

I thought they were lizard or snake eggs---


mmmmmm!... when was the last time you had a REALLY GOOD lizard egg?
 
  • #65
RocketSurgery said:
Aren't the football things like frog eggs?
That would have to be a rather large frog! (Frog's eggs look like fish eggs...think little like caviar.)

rewebster said:
I thought they were lizard or snake eggs---


mmmmmm!... when was the last time you had a REALLY GOOD lizard egg?

:rolleyes: I really just thought they were little potatoes with some parsley or something sprinkled on them.

That sausage looks really greasy too. It better be made out of some endangered species to cost $125 though.
 
  • #66
rewebster said:
OK---test your IQ!


would you rather have this at a cozy neighborhood restaurant:

http://kaczmarskyj.com/images/family_recipe_images/steak%20and%20potatoes.jpg

for $25?




or this at a "higher quality place":


http://blogs.menupages.com/chicago/military%20chef.JPG


for $125?

The answer is, it depends. They both look good. If its a special ocassion, then the $125 dollar one might be more appropriate. Also, that may just be one of several courses that are included in the cost. (Its its a really expensive joint, it may be just for that one dish though).

Most of the time when I go to a restaurant and order a steak I say med rare, and it always comes to the med-well done side.

As for those 'football' shaped things, there probably onions.
 
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  • #67
Cyrus said:
Most of the time when I go to a restaurante and order a steak I say med rare, and it always comes to the med-well done side.

That's true. I like my steak between rare and medium rare, but it's nearly impossible to get it served that way in a restaurant.
 
  • #68
lisab said:
That's true. I like my steak between rare and medium rare, but it's nearly impossible to get it served that way in a restaurant.

Usually, you don't have to ask for med-rare at a more expensive resturant. Thats how it comes by default (because a real chef knows how to make it properly). Its not supposed to be chared to the point of being chewing gum, which is what always happens when I tell the waiter med-RARE. Now I just tell them rare to get it medium.
 
  • #69
Anyway, ehrenfest, if you do become (or are) a vegetarian----it may be good to read up on the 'nutrients' needed ---I think I remember reading that B-12 was one that needed to be watched. Try doing a Google of variations of 'dangers/precautions/etc. (variations of those words) vegetarian diet'
 
  • #70
It makes perfectly good sense. You can get all the nutrition in fruits, veggies, and nuts. There is a lot of protein in nuts, and vitimins and minerals in the fruit and veggies. The truth is, you can take out all dairy products too, by substituting rice/soy milk for the real thing. I think it even tastes better, too! :smile: I am speaking from experience here, I was a vegetarian(for more than half my life), and also am lactose intolerant. Everything is the same, you don't have to really worry about not getting enough nutrition, if you feel or your doctor feels you aren't getting enough, then try just taking vitamins, if you still want to go the route of becoming a vegetarian. Good things will come of it, and your body will feel much better, and less tired, but make sure you do some more research to know if this is what you really want to do :)
 
  • #71
mcknia07 said:
It makes perfectly good sense. You can get all the nutrition in fruits, veggies, and nuts. There is a lot of protein in nuts, and vitimins and minerals in the fruit and veggies. The truth is, you can take out all dairy products too, by substituting rice/soy milk for the real thing. I think it even tastes better, too! :smile: I am speaking from experience here, I was a vegetarian(for more than half my life), and also am lactose intolerant. Everything is the same, you don't have to really worry about not getting enough nutrition, if you feel or your doctor feels you aren't getting enough, then try just taking vitamins, if you still want to go the route of becoming a vegetarian. Good things will come of it, and your body will feel much better, and less tired, but make sure you do some more research to know if this is what you really want to do :)

I second that. However (correct me if I am wrong) there is no source for vitamin b-12 outside of animal sources. Some people say that the b-12 in energy drinks is from a bacteria source though. Keep in mind that this pertains to the vegan diet. If you just want a vegetarian diet then you should have absolutely no problem at all as long as you eat a variety of fruits and veggies (you can get an idea of the variety by eating a lot of different colors), along with nuts and soy milk. Also as mcknia said its a myth that you can't get enough protein on a vegan diet. Most people I believe actually consume tooo much. Just be careful that you eat a big variety though because it didn't work out for me. :smile:
 
  • #72
Yeah thanks. Unfortunately, I ate a turkey sandwich yesterday though. :bugeye: I realized that I don't live in an environment where being a healthy vegetarian is feasible. My only food options are the university cafeteria and nearby fast food places and even all of these places together do not offer enough variety of vegetarian food to allow for a complete diet. I have averaged about 3 bagels a day the last 6 months which I think is way too much. For the rest of my time here, I am going to eat meat maybe 3 times a week just in order to avoid overeating bagels and to obtain the the nutrients that occur mainly in meat. Hopefully, I will go to grad school somewhere that is better suited for a healthy vegetarian diet. Then, I will stop eating meat immediately.
 
  • #73
ehrenfest said:
Yeah thanks. Unfortunately, I ate a turkey sandwich yesterday though. :bugeye: I realized that I don't live in an environment where being a healthy vegetarian is feasible. My only food options are the university cafeteria and nearby fast food places and even all of these places together do not offer enough variety of vegetarian food to allow for a complete diet. I have averaged about 3 bagels a day the last 6 months which I think is way too much. For the rest of my time here, I am going to eat meat maybe 3 times a week just in order to avoid overeating bagels and to obtain the the nutrients that occur mainly in meat. Hopefully, I will go to grad school somewhere that is better suited for a healthy vegetarian diet. Then, I will stop eating meat immediately.

Yea that was pretty much the same situation I was in. I was able to stake it out for a month then started having minor health issues which subsided when I added chicken and dairy to my diet as well as the occasional burger.
 
  • #74
OOo i just realized I used stake and burger in the same sentence. No pun intended.:smile:
 

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