Belt Driven Spindle: Calculating Power & Choosing Speed/Diameter

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The discussion revolves around calculating power requirements and selecting appropriate speeds and diameters for a belt-driven spindle system. Participants explore the relationships between spindle and countershaft speeds, pulley sizes, and the implications for motor power and spindle shaft diameter.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the motor power can be calculated as Pmotor = Pspindle/Efficiency, indicating a relationship between spindle power and motor power.
  • Another participant explains that the spindle and countershaft speeds are related by the ratio of the pulley diameters, providing a formula for this relationship.
  • There is a discussion about the lack of a definitive answer for the countershaft RPM, as it depends on the available pulley sizes and the motor's rated RPM.
  • A participant questions how to choose the spindle diameter, noting that the inner diameter of the pulley may depend on the spindle shaft diameter.
  • Another participant clarifies that the diameters of the spindle and countershaft do not affect RPM but must be strong enough to handle the torque, suggesting that shafts are typically oversized for safety.
  • Participants mention formulas for calculating power in relation to torque and angular velocity, and reference tables for typical shaft diameters based on maximum torque.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the selection of countershaft RPM and spindle diameter, with no consensus on the best approach to these choices. Multiple viewpoints on the relationships between power, torque, and diameter are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on standard pulley sizes, the need for safety factors in torque calculations, and the complexity of determining appropriate shaft diameters based on material properties.

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The system is similar to above. Say I have calculated the required power at the spindle and various speeds (rpm) the spindle needs to run at. I am not sure on how to choose the constant speed of the counter shaft. For the motor HP i am thinking it is just Pmotor = Pspindle/Efficiency.
Also not sure how I should go on about choosing the spindle shaft diameter.
 
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Tekneek said:
Say I have calculated the required power at the spindle and various speeds (rpm) the spindle needs to run at. I am not sure on how to choose the constant speed of the counter shaft.

I'm not sure I understand your question. The speed (rpm) of the spindle and counter shaft are related by the ratio of the pulley diameters...

Spindle RPM / Countershaft RPM = Countershaft Pulley Diameter / Spindle Pulley Diameter

The example in the picture is..

563/800 = 4.75" / 6.75" = 0.704

There is no "right" answer for the countershaft rpm. Pulleys are only available in certain standard sizes so the problem is one of finding a motor (with suitable rated RPM) and combination of pulleys that give the right answer for the spindle rpm(s). Perhaps start with a pulley catalogue and set up a spreadsheet?

For the motor HP i am thinking it is just Pmotor = Pspindle/Efficiency.

Correct.
 
CWatters said:
I'm not sure I understand your question. The speed (rpm) of the spindle and counter shaft are related by the ratio of the pulley diameters...

Spindle RPM / Countershaft RPM = Countershaft Pulley Diameter / Spindle Pulley Diameter

The example in the picture is..

563/800 = 4.75" / 6.75" = 0.704

There is no "right" answer for the countershaft rpm. Pulleys are only available in certain standard sizes so the problem is one of finding a motor (with suitable rated RPM) and combination of pulleys that give the right answer for the spindle rpm(s). Perhaps start with a pulley catalogue and set up a spreadsheet?
Correct.
But how would I choose the spindle diameter? I understand that I can change the pulley diameters to get the desired rpm for the spindle. But wouldn't the inner diameter of the pulley depend on how big or small the spindle shaft diameter is?
 
Tekneek said:
But how would I choose the spindle diameter? I understand that I can change the pulley diameters to get the desired rpm for the spindle. But wouldn't the inner diameter of the pulley depend on how big or small the spindle shaft diameter is?

The diameter of the spindle and/or countershaft don't effect the RPM. They only have to be strong enough to handle the torque. It's normal to oversize so that the shaft can handle the twice the maximum torque of the motor. If you know the max power then...

Power (Watts) = Torque (Newton Meters) * Angular Velocity (Rads/S)

Angular Velocity can be calculated from the RPM.

or if you prefer

Power (HP) = Torque (pound-feet) * RPM/5252

Once you have the max torque (with a safety factor) there are tables for typical shaft diameters...

http://joycedayton.com/products/system-accessories/shafting/shafting-diameter-chart

or you can work out the diameter based on the material and the max allowed stress but that's beyond my experience.
 

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