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Ben Stein's upcoming film "Expelled" has sparked significant debate, primarily for its promotion of intelligent design, which many argue lacks scientific credibility. Critics express concern that the film misrepresents scientific discourse, claiming it portrays a conspiracy against religious scientists and misuses quotes from scientists to support its narrative. The tagline "No Intelligence Allowed" is viewed ironically, highlighting perceived deficiencies in the film's arguments. Discussions also touch on the broader implications of teaching intelligent design in science classrooms, with many asserting that only scientifically validated theories should be presented. The film is described as a vehicle for creationist propaganda, with accusations of deceit in securing interviews with scientists. Some participants acknowledge witnessing discrimination against scientists due to their religious beliefs but emphasize that this should not justify the inclusion of non-scientific theories in education. Overall, the conversation reflects a deep divide between proponents of evolution and supporters of intelligent design, with calls for maintaining scientific integrity in educational settings.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4609561480192587449&q=ben+stein&total=372&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

Dumb and dumber. So if there is no 'god' we would all just go around killing each other, it wouldn't matter. /quote

Also, he says lightning struck a mud puddle.

Wow, some people should stop talking about ideas outside their realm of knowledge.
 
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  • #32
Laura1013 said:
I firmly believe that only science should be taught in science classes, theology and beliefs have their place, etc. I'm not defending the film; I have not seen it. I'm simply saying that the idea of a documentary about such discrimination is not as absurd as some here seem to think it is.

Expelled is a creationist propaganda film about trying to teach creationism in science classrooms. In fact it's so bad that (according to people who have seen it), the film actually argues "Evolution leads to atheism leads to eugenics leads to Holocaust and Nazi Germany".

(http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/03/21/creationism-evolution-and-nazis-yes-nazis/)

They even deliberately lied to get interviews with scientists and educators. It's also heavily ironic that, while claiming "darwinists" are oppressing free exchange of ideas in science classrooms, they actively try to censor negative criticism.

I'm aware that I've probably just opened a can of worms. Personally, I find science versus religion debates dull and nonsensical; I will not respond to anyone who wishes to engage in such a debate, but you all are welcome to it.

IMO, since this is about some insanely deluded people trying to teach religion in science classrooms, there isn't anything meaningful to debate.
 
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Richard Dawkins interviews PZ Myers on why he was expelled, yet, Dawkins was allowed to see the film.
 
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  • #34
:smile:
That's priceless!
 
  • #36
Richard Dawkins runs amok in Minnesota Movie theater!

UPDATE: Shocking information has reached us that PZ Meyers trophy wife (paid for by the tax payers of state of Minnesota) was taking names of the movie goers to, and I quote her words, "be put first in line for the gas chambers once we overthrow the Constitution". That is correct, this state funded mistress was making a list of local Christians for eventual extermination.

Lets face it my fellow Christian (Republican Baptists); the Constitution is nothing more than a rag to atheist that they could wipe their backsides on. The have no respect for anything outside their narrow agenda and firmly believe that evolution justifies anything they do. Atheists will lie, cheat and steal without blinking just to achieve their ends.

:rolleyes:

Some more reactions:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/still_straining_to_find_an_exc.php
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/a_late_night_quick_one.php
 
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  • #37
Thats quite a signature that guy has.
 
  • #38
Kurdt said:
Thats quite a signature that guy has.

I like the abbreviation of the link at the bottom right of his signature.
 
  • #40
Kurdt said:
Thats quite a signature that guy has.
OY VEY! :smile:

That's got to be a joke. If it isn't, it's scary. :rolleyes:
 
  • #41
Poop-Loops said:
You do know that Landover Baptist is a complete joke, right?

I mean as in, they are doing it for the lulz?
Thanks, it came across as a joke, it was just TOO over the top. :smile:
 
  • #42
Evo said:
OY VEY! :smile:

That's got to be a joke. If it isn't, it's scary. :rolleyes:

I think the whole site is a satire. I was suspicious when I read the post, but when I saw the signature I was sure, and P-L has confirmed it.
 
  • #43
Review of Expelled! by Dawkins:

http://richarddawkins.net/article,2394,Lying-for-Jesus,Richard-Dawkins
 
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  • #44
You can find more of the Landover Baptist Pastor's speeches on Youtube. He's been around for a while now.
 
  • #45
I think that Ben Stein should probably stick to his day jobs in economics, presidential speech writing, and playing bit parts in 1980's Matthew Broderick Movies...:rolleyes:
 
  • #48
russ_watters said:
Just saw this:
He is pretty smart. That's what is so troubling about this. I once saw a 60 Minutes piece on him where they talk about how his parents pounded knowledge into him (which, of course, could have also brainwashed him). Here's a bio: He was valedictorian of Hillary Clinton's class at Yale law!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Stein


Signifying intelligence not at all. He's an economist, what my Sicilian grandfather would call, "gooda for nothin'".
 
  • #50
I've been lurking around for months and finally decided to join today, so this is my fist post.

My question, is why do things like this bother some so much? Science is science and if it is not then ignore it. Most won't even bat an eye when some one mentions perpetual motion. Why would anything else you consider a myth get your attention? My only conclusion to this is: (a) you are insecure and need to trash something to make yourself feel better about yourself. or (b) you are trying to convince yourself you do not believe in the myth.
 
  • #51
2stroketech said:
I've been lurking around for months and finally decided to join today, so this is my fist post.

My question, is why do things like this bother some so much? Science is science and if it is not then ignore it. Most won't even bat an eye when some one mentions perpetual motion. Why would anything else you consider a myth get your attention? My only conclusion to this is: (a) you are insecure and need to trash something to make yourself feel better about yourself. or (b) you are trying to convince yourself you do not believe in the myth.

If someone calls your mother a wh***, do you just say "I'm secure in my belief that she is not. Your words do not phase me."?

Now, when it's a company making a multi-million dollar movie about it? Would you just ignore it also?
 
  • #52
2stroketech said:
My question, is why do things like this bother some so much? Science is science and if it is not then ignore it.
The problem with a movie like this should be obvious. They had respectable scientists appear under false pretenses. The people that made this movie lied, they are misleading the public and they are skewing the truth in order to further their anti-science agenda. No one should still still and let these people get away with misinforming the public.
 
  • #53
Also, because directly or indirectly, it's the public who decide whether the funding goes to science or somewhere else.
 
  • #54
I just enjoy the laughter i get from all of it.
But i have been told that i have a twisted sense of humor.

Laughter and hypocrites go together like stink and flies
 
  • #55
Here is an interesting discussion I stumbled upon. I must say that I'm getting quite a kick out of it.

https://www.amazon.com/tag/science/forum/ref=cm_cd_dp_rt_tft_tp?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForum=FxZ58KVEERYS5E&cdThread=Tx3JCNE4TR2AFOK&tag=pfamazon01-20
 
  • #56
Evo said:
Here is an interesting discussion I stumbled upon. I must say that I'm getting quite a kick out of it.

https://www.amazon.com/tag/science/forum/ref=cm_cd_dp_rt_tft_tp?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForum=FxZ58KVEERYS5E&cdThread=Tx3JCNE4TR2AFOK&tag=pfamazon01-20

I've browsed a few of these before. My favorite is this one guy who whenever refuted by someone who uses scientific terms that he then gives Wikipedia links to, replies "You're using Wikipedia for your argument?" as if it made any sort of difference. He's not quoting it as a source, he's using it as a dictionary to explain scientific terms.
 
  • #57
Kurdt said:
I can't remember reading about Darwin saying lightning struck a puddle of mud. :confused:

It's a straw man argument. Usually employed by those who have no real objective evidence to support their possition, or with which to refute the opposition.
 
  • #59
Poop-Loops said:
You do know that Landover Baptist is a complete joke, right?

I mean as in, they are doing it for the lulz?

I would be careful when looking at that site. My antivirus software picked up on something and was able to quarantine it.
 

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