Bending moment of countinuous tapered beam

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of bending moments for a continuous tapered beam with a specific I-shaped cross-section. Participants explore the complexities involved in analyzing the beam's behavior under a distributed load, considering its dimensions and support conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a formula for calculating the bending moment of a continuous tapered beam, detailing its dimensions and loading conditions.
  • Another participant notes that the bending moment is influenced by end conditions, support conditions, and loading, but expresses uncertainty about simple calculations for tapered beams.
  • A participant suggests simplifying the beam to a one-span model with specific support conditions but struggles to incorporate the effects of tapering on bending moments and second moment of inertia.
  • It is mentioned that there are no straightforward formulas for calculating reactions and bending moments for tapered beams supported in a statically indeterminate manner.
  • Participants discuss the need to re-analyze the beam from scratch if the taper is altered, as changes in the second moment of inertia will affect the beam's stiffness and consequently the reactions and moments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific method for calculating bending moments for the tapered beam. Multiple viewpoints on the complexity of the problem and the need for further analysis remain evident.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations in available formulas for tapered beams and the dependence on specific loading conditions and support configurations. There is an acknowledgment of the need for numerical methods or first principles approaches to analyze the beam accurately.

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Hello,

I can't find the formula for bending moment calculation of continuous tapered beam. the cross section is I (H) form, where web is 179.5 cm flange is 67 cm, web thickness is 1.5 cm and flange thickness is 2.5 cm. And this beam changes its height to 89.7 cm all other dimensions is the same. Beam is 60 m long and has two spans and three supports at 0, 30 and 60 meters. The load is distributed which intensity is 89.329 kN/m. The beam mass is not taken into acuont. I have designet and tested this beam with two programs and the bending moment is the same. Examples is atached
 

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Daumantas said:
Hello,

I can't find the formula for bending moment calculation of continuous tapered beam. the cross section is I (H) form, where web is 179.5 cm flange is 67 cm, web thickness is 1.5 cm and flange thickness is 2.5 cm. And this beam changes its height to 89.7 cm all other dimensions is the same. Beam is 60 m long and has two spans and three supports at 0, 30 and 60 meters. The load is distributed which intensity is 89.329 kN/m. The beam mass is not taken into acuont. I have designet and tested this beam with two programs and the bending moment is the same. Examples is atached

The bending moment of a beam depends only on the end conditions, the support conditions, and the loading.

If you have a continuous beam (one with more than two supports), then the shape of the beam will affect the calculation of the fixed-end moments for each span.

With tapered beams, I don't know of any simple calculations/formulas you can apply. It looks like you'll have to revert to first principles to analyze this beam.

If your previous calculations of the reactions and moments produce static equilibrium, I would say that the beam bending moments you have calculated are also correct, but I couldn't say for certain unless you provide these results (reactions and moments at each support).
 
Thanks for your replay,

I have one idea to simplify this beam to one span where one support is fixed in movement and rotation and other support is free to move in x direction and rotate. But i don't understand how to involve this tapper affect? Because when i am changing the bigger's cross section size the the bending moment changes and when i change the tapper distance in longitudinal direction it also changes. I think it should some how involve second moment of inertia. But i don't even imagine how this equation should look like...

I am attaching the picture with reaction forces and supports types. There is three supports, in the middle suppor is free to rotate and movement in x and z directions is fixed, side supports is free to rotate and move to x directions but fixed to move in z direction. Reactions: in the middle support it's 3504.02 kN and moment at this support is 12364.05 kN. On both side supports reactions is 927.74 kN and bending moment is zero.
 

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Daumantas said:
Thanks for your replay,

I have one idea to simplify this beam to one span where one support is fixed in movement and rotation and other support is free to move in x direction and rotate. But i don't understand how to involve this tapper affect? Because when i am changing the bigger's cross section size the the bending moment changes and when i change the tapper distance in longitudinal direction it also changes. I think it should some how involve second moment of inertia. But i don't even imagine how this equation should look like...

I am attaching the picture with reaction forces and supports types. There is three supports, in the middle suppor is free to rotate and movement in x and z directions is fixed, side supports is free to rotate and move to x directions but fixed to move in z direction. Reactions: in the middle support it's 3504.02 kN and moment at this support is 12364.05 kN. On both side supports reactions is 927.74 kN and bending moment is zero.

Your original beam's reactions and moments are OK.

The problem with a tapered beam is that there are really no simple formulas with which to do a calculation of the reactions and bending moments for a beam which is supported in a statically indeterminate manner, like this beam on three supports.

Tables of prismatic (non-tapered) beams on 3 or more supports can be prepared for certain loading conditions, but even these are calculated numerically, and the reactions and bending moments are given as factors of the UDL loading, for example.

For an example of this, look at p. 7 of the tables below. This page contains formulas for three-span and four-span continuous beams under various loadings:

http://faculty.arch.tamu.edu/media/cms_page_media/4198/NS8-2beamdiagrams.pdf

Because continuous beams are solved by ensuring the compatibility of displacements between the segments of the beam, and by ensuring that the rotation of the beam is the same on either side of the intermediate supports, the factor EI for the beam is involved in making these conditions occur, due to its influence in determining the slope and deflection of a beam.

If you change EI by either eliminating or extending the taper, the reactions and bending moments will necessarily change, because you have made the beam relatively stiffer or more flexible, depending on how the taper is changed. If you want to find out how the reactions and moments change, then you will have to re-analyze the beam from scratch, and compare the results for each design.
 

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