Bernoulli's equation book problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to Bernoulli's equation, specifically addressing a scenario involving two areas and a height difference in a fluid dynamics context. Participants are examining the steps involved in simplifying the equation and addressing potential mistakes in the original poster's reasoning.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to simplify Bernoulli's equation by removing terms they believe are equivalent on both sides. Questions are raised about the correct representation of variables and the implications of height differences in the equation.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the simplifications made by the original poster, with some participants providing clarifications on variable notation and questioning the assumptions made. While some guidance has been offered regarding the notation of velocity, there is no explicit consensus on the correct interpretation of the equation's final form.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a textbook problem, which may not provide all necessary steps or explanations. There is a noted confusion regarding the treatment of terms related to height differences and the simplification process.

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Homework Statement



This book is skipping over too many steps

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where A1 = 1m2
A2 = .5 m2

y1 - y2 = 5m

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm having trouble getting from one step to another.

By my reckoning this equation

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can be simplified by removing P0 and ρ since they are the same on both sides of the equation. Then we can multiply each term by 2.

That makes

v12 + 2gy1 = ((A1/A2)v2)2 + 2gy2

Now I subtract 2gy1 from both sides. That makes:

v12 = ((A1/A2)v2)2 + 2gy2 - 2gy1

The book is showing that that is a mistake. I can't figure out why.

Also if I subtract ((A1/A2)v2)2 from both sides that would make (ignoring 2gy)

v12 - ((A1/A2)v2)2

But the book has it as

v12 multiplied by (1- ((A1/A2)v2)2

Why?
 
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bobsmith76 said:
can be simplified by removing P0 and ρ since they are the same on both sides of the equation. Then we can multiply each term by 2.
OK.

That makes

v12 + 2gy1 = ((A1/A2)v2)2 + 2gy2
Shouldn't that be v1 on the right hand side, not v2?
 
Yea, I guess it should but I'm still stuck with my two questions.
 
bobsmith76 said:
Yea, I guess it should but I'm still stuck with my two questions.
First change that v2 to a v1 and your questions may go away.
 
Ok, I understand the part about v1 and v2, but would about

2gy2 - 2gy1
 
y2-y1 is the height difference between the two points under consideration.
 
bobsmith76 said:
Ok, I understand the part about v1 and v2, but would about

2gy2 - 2gy1
What about it? Realize that your book is calling Δy = h.
 
In the final step it should be

√h

not

√(2gh)

Because the 2g - 2g = 0
 
bobsmith76 said:
In the final step it should be

√h

not

√(2gh)

Because the 2g - 2g = 0
The '2g' factor doesn't cancel!

Example: 5a - 3a = 2a, not 2.
 

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