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Best post Eisenhower Republican President.

  1. Richard Nixon

    21.7%
  2. Gerald Ford

    21.7%
  3. Ronald Reagan

    43.5%
  4. George Bush Sr.

    8.7%
  5. George Bush Jr.

    4.3%
  1. Dec 19, 2005 #1
    In your opinion, who's been the best Republican President after Eisenhower? I excluded Eisenhower because he's really not comprable to and Republican that came after him; the party changed so much, and so did America. Of course Republicans and America are constantly in flux, but it just seems that it's easier to compare the 70's to now than it is to compare the 50's to now.

    In my opinion, Nixon was the best.

    People always kinda write off Nixon because of watergate, but that's a kinda ridiculous reason. Watergate was just political dirty tricks, stuff tons of politicians do. Sure it was bad, and he certainly shouldn't have done it, but it wasn't nearly as bad as things Reagan and Bush have done. I mean, Reagan sold weapons to terrorists to fund other terrorists in Nicaragua, and Bush totally fabricated an entire war. The only reason Nixon was forced to resign and Bush and Reagan weren't was because Nixon had to deal with a large Democratic majority in Congress, while under Reagan, Republicans had the majority in the Senate for most of his term, as has been the case with Bush.

    Besides Nixon not being the worst Republican, there are also lots of good things that come to mind about him. He got China and the U.S. to become valuable trade partners. If you look at how China has done since they've become trade partners with the U.S., and how the former USSR has done since it collapsed, I think you'll find China's doing a hell of alot better comparatively, and is on a definate upward trend, while Russia and the rest of the USSR are in very indefinate places right now.

    Anyway, what do you think?
     
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  3. Dec 19, 2005 #2
    Nixon was a slimebag even without watergate. I vote for Bush Sr.
     
  4. Dec 19, 2005 #3
    So was every president though, every single one.
    What was so good about him?
     
  5. Dec 19, 2005 #4
    He wasn't Nixon, Reagan, or W.

    (also, he did pretty well with Gorbachev, diplomatically).
     
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  6. Dec 19, 2005 #5
    If you're going on which president was least like Nixon/Reagan/W, why not choose Ford? He seemed pretty decent...
     
  7. Dec 19, 2005 #6

    russ_watters

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    My mom liked Nixon, and I'm really not sure why....

    ...anyway, I voted for Reagan.
     
  8. Dec 19, 2005 #7
    I'd vote for Bush senior. His "voodoo economics" quip gets him points with me.

    I also liked that he seemed to have a clue about how things have to work together, in order to work for a society as diverse as the US or more broadly the global society. I liked that he didn't try to over-reach himself.

    Reagan was an ex-hollywood rancher type, Nixon had watergate, Bush junior is an idiot.

    But I haven't voted because I'm feeling lazy.I'm curious what other people say first - maybe I'll change my mind.
     
  9. Dec 20, 2005 #8

    SOS2008

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    When you see the line-up like that it makes one realize the Republican Presidents haven’t been that great overall. Nixon's foreign policy (with Kissinger) was very good, but Watergate can’t be forgiven. Ford didn’t do much of anything. Reagan had more popularity overall. Bush Sr. was too out-of-touch with the common American. Bush Jr. is a complete embarrassment and the worst president of either party in modern history.

    So I vote for Reagan.
     
  10. Dec 20, 2005 #9
    Reagan was probibaly one of the best presidents of history, being the most successful while facing the most difficulties. Firstly getting America out of the worst depression since the great one, and secondly almost singlehandedly destroying the utmost dangers of communism

    btw if you want to talk about embarrasment, think about the president who lied under oath about cheating on the first lady.
     
  11. Dec 20, 2005 #10

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    We both agree about Reagan in comparison to others on the list...

    However, we've already debated that Reagan "helped" to "expedite" the fall of an already ailing Soviet Union -- not quite "single handed" -- I wish people would stop exaggerating this.

    And there is an entire thread that Clinton lied but no one died -- I also wish people would stop exaggerating this, and quit pointing a finger at Clinton when he isn't of discussion.
     
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  12. Dec 20, 2005 #11
    Nixon did a good job with foreign affairs, reached out to China, ended the Vietnam war etc, but he broke the law and violated the constitution. He also took us off the gold standard which had a ripple effect on the economy.

    Ford didn't do anything, so he gets my vote.

    Reagan was the reason I left the republican party. His pro-business, anti-labor, deficit spending, and redistribution of wealth to the wealthy policies, not to mention his illegal arms deals were enough to convince me that the Grand Old Party was anything but grand anymore.

    George H. Bush I believe wanted to be a good President he just wasn't capable enough. His policy of non-involvement in Arab Arab affairs was the reason Saddam Hussein thought he could invade Kuwait in the first place. That failure of diplomacy has further destabilized the region.

    And Dubya is the worst president in history. At least Harding admitted that he was in over his head and used the office ceremonially
     
  13. Dec 20, 2005 #12
    I voted Ford because it makes me laugh when I say his name.
     
  14. Dec 20, 2005 #13

    BobG

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    Nixon was the most versatile Republican president - so much so that he rates as the best Republican president and the worst Republican president.

    Being the only president to be forced to resign pretty much cements his spot as the worst president, ever.

    If you're weighing what was accomplished during a president's term, Nixon would be the most effective.

    He started diplomatic relations with both the Soviet Union and China. His Soviet diplomacy resulted in the first nuclear arms treaty.

    When it comes to civil rights, Kennedy usually gets the accolades, but it was Johnson, using Kennedy's name as a hammer, that actually got civil rights laws passed, and it was Nixon that actually got them implemented. The 1964 Civil Rights Bill really didn't have much practical effect in the South until Nixon did some low key work with the southern states to desegregate schools as a part of his 'New Federalism' policies.

    He unsuccessfully pushed for the Equal Rights Amendment, but behind the scenes, he had sexual discrimination added and included into Title VII of the Civil Rights Act and added sexual discrimination provisions to the guidelines for its Office of Federal Contract Compliance (i.e. - sexual discrimination became a money issue vs. a political issue).

    He founded the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department for Natural Resources.

    His proposed welfare reforms, the Family Assistance Program, failed but perhaps his policies were just ahead of their time. Clinton got nearly identical reforms passed about 20 years later.

    The downside was how Nixon's New Federalism evolved. Nixon's New Federalism made the federal government responsible for collecting money (via income taxes, etc), but redistributing that money back to the states, who would be empowered to spend it as they saw fit. In practice, conditions have tended to be attached to the money, forcing states to conform to national standards and norms - something that turned out to be much more effective than trying to get national legislation. While it was touted as empowering states, I think the net effect is pull more power back to the folks distributing the money.

    All in all, Nixon benefited minorities and women, helped create a cleaner environment, and established serious diplomatic relations with the US's two most formidable military competitors.

    Hmm, :uhh: maybe I should change that and call him the best Democratic president. :rofl: Actually, both Nixon and Johnson would be my type of Democrat - excluding how they dealt with the Viet Nam war, both were very pragmatic and were able to get practical results behind the headlines even if the headline issue didn't meet with total success.
     
  15. Dec 20, 2005 #14
    I agree with waste and BobG that watergate overshadows Nixon’s accomplishments. Reagan's policies remain controversial in my mind, but at least he did not embarrass Americans the way Dubya has. Bush Sr. tried to promote a "kinder, gentler nation," which I believe is needed domestically. Yet it seemed to be just lip service, as he did nothing in regard to issues such as health care. Since Ford neither accomplished anything in particular nor caused damage, I guess there is something to be said for that.
     
  16. Dec 20, 2005 #15
    Or perhaps we could stay on the topic of post-Eisenhower Republicans.

    You wanna talk about embarrasment, talk about the President who sold weapons to terrorists to fund other terrorists, then "forgot" about it.
     
  17. Dec 20, 2005 #16

    Thats why I said almost singlehandedly, do not misquote me. And it was ailing becuase of Regans actions, try to downplay it as you wish, I'm not going to get into a semantic argument here.

    Cheezy catch phrases aside, You brought up embarrasments, so I simply alluded to a greater embarrassment. You dont have to listen, or in fact, respond to anything you don't want to.
     
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  18. Dec 20, 2005 #17

    Art

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    Nixon was probably the best of a bad bunch.

    Illegal wiretaps led to his downfall so hopefully history will repeat itself.
     
  19. Dec 20, 2005 #18
    Well in all fairness he did have Alzheimers disease.:rofl:

    I agree with you BobG about Nixon. I used to consider him as one of the best presidents of the 20th century, until I learned more about his domestic spying policies. I am quite a Libertarian when it comes to the government using it's powers against the people.
     
  20. Dec 20, 2005 #19
    Either way, great president :rolleyes:
    Well in all fairness, he was a crazy paranoid motherfuker.
     
  21. Dec 20, 2005 #20

    SOS2008

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    I did not misquote you, however I extend my apology for not quoting your statement in entirety. And by all means I too would like to avoid a semantic argument. Still, even adding "almost" is an exaggeration IMO. The arms race existed throughout the Cold War.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War

    Regan was president from 1981 to 1989, the last eight years of 44 years of the Cold War.

    http://www.culture-of-peace.info/so...ent. I'll leave it at that since this is OT.
     
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