Best Qualities to be a Physicist?

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The discussion revolves around the qualities and strengths necessary to become a successful physicist. Participants explore various attributes, including curiosity, mathematical fluency, and personal motivation, as well as the differences between physics and mathematics. The conversation encompasses theoretical aspects and personal insights rather than definitive criteria for success.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that curiosity, wonder, and a thick skin are essential traits for a physicist.
  • Others argue that satisfaction derived from understanding and exploring mysteries distinguishes successful physicists from their peers.
  • A participant highlights the importance of mathematical fluency, particularly for those pursuing theoretical physics.
  • Some contributions emphasize the need for high frustration tolerance and the ability to concentrate amidst distractions.
  • One participant mentions the significance of motivation driven by the work itself, rather than financial incentives.
  • Several participants reference Richard Feynman as an exemplar of the qualities being discussed, particularly his curiosity and unique understanding methods.
  • There is a discussion about the varying levels of mathematical knowledge required depending on the specific field of physics.
  • Some participants provide resources and suggestions for further reading to understand the qualities of great physicists.

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Participants express a range of views on the necessary qualities of a physicist, with no consensus on a definitive list. Multiple competing perspectives exist regarding the importance of curiosity, mathematical skills, and personal motivation.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about what constitutes success in physics and the role of personal traits, which may vary widely among individuals. There are also references to specific physicists and their approaches, but these are not universally agreed upon as models to emulate.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to high school students considering a career in physics, educators looking for insights into student motivations, and individuals curious about the personal qualities that contribute to success in scientific fields.

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I'm only 15 but I'm thinking about what i need to be a successful physicist. I want to know what kind of strengths a good physicist should have and also what sets one physicist from the rest?
 
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Curiosity, wonder, and a thick skin.
If you are the sort of person who gets a good feeling when presented with a mystery, automatically seeks to penetrate the mystery, and, having discovered the workings of the mystery you still have a good feeling (maybe the feeling deepens) ... then you can be a scientist. If you accept skeptical reasoning and you have an inherent honesty that will not allow you to accept things as true without good evidence that they are true - then you are probably already a scientist.

To be successful though?? I don't know - what are your criteria for success?
 
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simon bridge your answer is awesome, i think that physics is all about satisfaction[/color], the main difference in physics and mathematics is that, in mathematics once you get the prove its over, that particular topic is over, but in physics you can't prove every thing just like Newton's law, but you can get satisfied by explanations like Galileo's plane for first law and so on, many students takes physics but only fraction of them becomes physicist, this is because both of them faces same types and numbers of questions, some of them gets satisfied with the answer and some of them asks more about it, this more,curiosity, dissatisfaction makes you different from other physics students.
 
Read about Rickard Feynman, he has most of the qualities you are sesrching for, if not all. He was curious about everything, and never believed anything that was not proven to him. He also had a special method of understanding things, where he tries to describe the hardest of concepts in a way that a kid can understand it. That is what gave him the ability to understand his subject deeply and with curiosity, he was able to dive into science and explore.
Physics is a beautiful field, i am sure you are going to love it.
 
Five posts in and no one has mentioned mathematical fluency?:oldconfused::oldeek:
 
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Nugatory said:
Five posts in and no one has mentioned mathematical fluency?:oldconfused::oldeek:
We should have. Actually Feynman had math as a hobby. Yet i don't know why but when we talk about physics I forget all about math. I never consider it something different. Its like a single package. Sorry OP but being good at math is also one of the most fundamental qualities of a physicist, especially if you are heading to theoretical physics.
 
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We should have. Actually Feynman had math as a hobby. Yet i don't know why but when we talk about physics I forget all about math. I never consider it something different. Its like a single package. Sorry OP but being good at math is also one of the most fundamental qualities of a physicist, especially if you are heading to theoretical physics.
How much does, "good at math" mean?
 
Curiosity, imagination, and the ability describe what you imagine in mathematical terms which are consistent with observation.
 
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symbolipoint said:
How much does, "good at math" mean?

I am no expert but i know that we need a lot of math at the start like differential equations and all the levels of calculus but then it depends on the specific field and the math that is most usefull for every field. There are some posts on the forums linking every field of physics with the needed math.
 
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High frustration tolerance.
 
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Rather than make up my own list, I will give you some sources to look into to.

There is plenty of information about this and it's available in different ways from the greatest physicists. I will try to explain.

At least for theoretical physics, there is a web page on this topic at https://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gadda001/goodtheorist/.

This is the most helpful resource I have found which is relevant to your question. This essay is by t'Hooft, a Nobel Laureate. He not only gives some general advice, but follows up with a complete course outline for learning physics including links to free online books!

I think it also helps to read some of the more popular works by the greatest scientists. For example, Einstein wrote some books at a popular level. You can certainly read these while still in high school. This helps you become more familiar with how the greatest minds operate. They were great and stood out from the crowd not only because of superior IQ but because of how they used their intelligence to best effect.

But there are many other great physicists besides Einstein. Beware of the "cult of personality." (Some physicists thought Einstein was on the wrong path in his later years and produced little of value during those years).

You can go down the list of all the Nobel laureates as well as the other great physicists, including Newton, Faraday, and Maxwell. Faraday is another good example of someone who wrote popular books on science.

It's also helpful to read something about the lives of the great scientists. Many of them faced great challenges. But they kept going anyway.

A scientist needs to learn how to think for himself or herself. Learn what you can, be respectful of people, but ultimately make up your own mind and follow your own instincts.

I hope this helps. Best wishes.
 
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Aufbauwerk 2045 said:
Rather than make up my own list, I will give you some sources to look into to.

There is plenty of information about this and it's available in different ways from the greatest physicists. I will try to explain.

At least for theoretical physics, there is a web page on this topic at https://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gadda001/goodtheorist/.

This is the most helpful resource I have found which is relevant to your question. This essay is by t'Hooft, a Nobel Laureate. He not only gives some general advice, but follows up with a complete course outline for learning physics including links to free online books!

I think it also helps to read some of the more popular works by the greatest scientists. For example, Einstein wrote some books at a popular level. You can certainly read these while still in high school. This helps you become more familiar with how the greatest minds operate. They were great and stood out from the crowd not only because of superior IQ but because of how they used their intelligence to best effect.

But there are many other great physicists besides Einstein. Beware of the "cult of personality." (Some physicists thought Einstein was on the wrong path in his later years and produced little of value during those years).

You can go down the list of all the Nobel laureates as well as the other great physicists, including Newton, Faraday, and Maxwell. Faraday is another good example of someone who wrote popular books on science.

It's also helpful to read something about the lives of the great scientists. Many of them faced great challenges. But they kept going anyway.

A scientist needs to learn how to think for himself or herself. Learn what you can, be respectful of people, but ultimately make up your own mind and follow your own instincts.

I hope this helps. Best wishes.

Awesome. I liked it immensely.
 
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People in science careers often need a strong ability to concentrate even in the midst of noise, but they must also have the capability of dreaming about possible directions to try or experiments to perform.
 
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In addition to the wonderful answers above, I would say a good physicist is motivated by the work first, and other considerations second. A physicist won't make as much money as a lot of other careers with similar educational and commitment requirements, the demand to keep up with the field and work hard never ends, and a physicist will typically have to move to where the jobs are, but if you love the work, you can make that happen. Most of the physicists I work with have very high job satisfaction.
 
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ChrisisC said:
I'm only 15 but I'm thinking about what i need to be a successful physicist. I want to know what kind of strengths a good physicist should have and also what sets one physicist from the rest?

Resilience.
 
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e.bar.goum said:
Resilience.

how so?
 
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"mild" craziness... :-)
 
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ChrisisC said:
how so?
Physics is really hard. Getting a career in physics is even harder. You've got to take failure well, be able to brush yourself off and keep going.
 
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In order of importance:

#1 An analytical AND creative mind.
#2 Being obsessively curious.
#3 Grit & a solid work ethic.
#4 Being open to new ideas and learning from others.
 
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Wminus said:
In order of importance:

#1 An analytical AND creative mind.
#2 Being obsessively curious.
#3 Grit & a solid work ethic.
#4 Being open to new ideas and learning from others.
I really believe those are very good points and I wish I could give one more "like"; but the forum will just turn that into a removal of the "like".
 

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