Bidmas (brackets; indices; divide/multiply; add/subtract)

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The discussion revolves around the order of operations in mathematical expressions, specifically focusing on the evaluation of the expression [40 - (2+4^2)] x 2. Participants are examining a discrepancy between their calculations and an answer provided by an external website.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the expression as follows: inside brackets 2+4^2 = 2 + 16 = 18, then 40 - 18 = 22, and finally 22 x 2 = 44.
  • Another participant asserts that the external site is incorrect, claiming they evaluated the expression as (2 + 4)2 instead of 2 + 42, leading to the wrong answer of 8.
  • Some participants agree with the assertion that the site misapplied the order of operations, emphasizing that addition should not precede exponentiation.
  • There is a reiteration of the claim that the site evaluated the expression incorrectly, with multiple participants echoing this sentiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the external site provided an incorrect answer due to a misinterpretation of the order of operations. However, there is no consensus on the validity of the site's answer versus the calculations presented by the participants.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of correctly applying the order of operations, specifically the precedence of exponents over addition, but do not resolve the disagreement regarding the external site's answer.

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I've just come across an example of this on the following website; http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/guides/zqn3r82/revision/5

The example was;

[40 - (2+4^2)] x 2

The site said that if there are two sets of brackets calculate the inside brackets first. I proceeded as follows;

inside brackets; 2+4^2 = 2+ 4x4 = 2+16 = 18

then the outer brackets; 40 - 18 = 22

then the last part; 22 x 2 = 44

But the site gave 8 as the answer. Any idea where I'm going wrong?
 
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Cliff Hanley said:
I've just come across an example of this on the following website; http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/guides/zqn3r82/revision/5

The example was;

[40 - (2+4^2)] x 2

The site said that if there are two sets of brackets calculate the inside brackets first. I proceeded as follows;

inside brackets; 2+4^2 = 2+ 4x4 = 2+16 = 18

then the outer brackets; 40 - 18 = 22

then the last part; 22 x 2 = 44

But the site gave 8 as the answer. Any idea where I'm going wrong?
The site is wrong.
In the first step, they have [40 - 62] * 2. Here they have done the addition before dealing with the exponent. 2 + 42 = 2 + 16 = 18. Addition is at a lower precedence than exponents. At the site, they are evaluating the expression as if it were (2 + 4)2 rather than 2 + 42 as given in the problem.
 
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Mark44 said:
The site is wrong.
In the first step, they have [40 - 62] * 2. Here they have done the addition before dealing with the exponent. 2 + 42 = 2 + 16 = 18. Addition is at a lower precedence than exponents. At the site, they are evaluating the expression as if it were (2 + 4)2 rather than 2 + 42 as given in the problem.
Thank you. So is my answer of 44 (and the route taken to get there) correct?
 
Cliff Hanley said:
Thank you. So is my answer of 44 (and the route taken to get there) correct?
Yes.
 
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The media is almost invariably horrible at dealing with things mathematical or even requiring the simplest facility in doing computations.
 
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Cliff Hanley said:
I've just come across an example of this on the following website; http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/guides/zqn3r82/revision/5

The example was;

[40 - (2+4^2)] x 2

The site said that if there are two sets of brackets calculate the inside brackets first. I proceeded as follows;

inside brackets; 2+4^2 = 2+ 4x4 = 2+16 = 18

then the outer brackets; 40 - 18 = 22

then the last part; 22 x 2 = 44

But the site gave 8 as the answer. Any idea where I'm going wrong?
The Beeb (or the Boob, in this case) evaluated (2+42) as if it were (2+4)2, which leads to the erroneous answer of 8.
 
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SteamKing said:
The Beeb (or the Boob, in this case) evaluated (2+42) as if it were (2+4)2, which leads to the erroneous answer of 8.
What I said in post 2:
At the site, they are evaluating the expression as if it were (2 + 4)2 rather than 2 + 42 as given in the problem.
 
Mark44 said:
What I said in post 2:
Yep, Mark, yer right. I overlooked your post.
 
Mark44 said:
Yes.
Thanks.
 

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