Big Bang and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Big Bang theory and the Second Law of Thermodynamics, specifically questioning whether the expansion of the universe contradicts the principle that entropy should increase over time. Participants explore theoretical implications and interpretations related to entropy in the context of cosmic evolution.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the Big Bang, being an expansion rather than an explosion, raises questions about its compatibility with the Second Law of Thermodynamics, particularly regarding entropy changes in the universe.
  • Another participant suggests that the principle of increasing entropy may apply primarily to quasistatic processes or systems in equilibrium, implying that during the chaotic conditions of the Big Bang, different rules might apply.
  • This same participant notes that while local decreases in entropy can occur (e.g., in human systems), these must be balanced by increases elsewhere, raising questions about how this balance would manifest in the context of the Big Bang.
  • A participant corrects a spelling error related to "entropy," indicating a focus on clarity in communication rather than the scientific content.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the Second Law of Thermodynamics in relation to the Big Bang, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist without a consensus on the matter.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the applicability of the Second Law in non-equilibrium conditions remain unresolved, and the discussion does not clarify how entropy is defined or measured in the context of the universe's expansion.

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I am educated enough to know the Big Bang was not an explosion, but rather an expansion. However, does this not violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics? How can stars, galaxies, and planets develop and lose enthropy if the Second Law says that it should gain enthropy. Also, the universe was shown by Stephen Hawking not standing above time or physical laws. So, how can a Big Bang occur if it violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics?
 
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I might be wrong here but i thought that the idea that entropy can only increase was when you considered things like quasistatic processes or systems in equilibrium. Once **** starts blowing up all bets are off until it settles down. At least that's what i got out of my statistical mechanics unit :P I mean there are violations on a local scale of that law all the time, entropy decreases in one area (humans) but will be offset somewhere else. Where the balancing part for the big bang would be is a good question.
 
Forgive me for spelling entropy as "enthropy." I am not exactly fully fluent in English yet.
 
Hi, pbethala,
  • You can probably use the "Edit this post" button to correct the spelling of the word "entropy" in your Post #1, at least for a limited time (a day or so).
  • In another very recent post I addressed exactly the same misconception about "entropy of the universe". You might poke around and see if you can find it.
 

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