Big Bang Expansion Creates Planets?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Big Bang Theory (BB Theory) and its implications for the formation of planets. Participants explore the initial conditions of the universe, the forces at play during the expansion, and the role of gravity in the subsequent formation of structures from the expanding material.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the Big Bang as an expansion rather than an explosion, using analogies like baking raisin bread to illustrate the separation of particles.
  • The same participant questions what 'unbalanced force' would act on the expanding particles to change their direction and lead to planet formation.
  • Another participant asserts that gravity is the proposed unbalanced force that influences the direction of the expanding elements.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of quantum fluctuations, suggesting that these fluctuations created density gradients that allowed gravity to cause denser regions to collapse.
  • Another participant agrees with the idea that quantum fluctuations led to uneven energy distribution, which facilitated the formation of structures through gravitational effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of forces acting on the expanding universe and the mechanisms leading to planet formation. While gravity is identified as a key force, the specifics of how it interacts with the initial conditions remain a topic of exploration and debate.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of forces and the role of quantum fluctuations, which may not be universally accepted or fully resolved among participants.

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If I understand what the BB Theory proposes, all the universe was originally confined to the size of something very small, like a dot or an atom. This small dot or atom or whatever was said to explode, although some say there was no explosion in the sense of a bomb going off, but would be more accurately described as everything began to expand like raisons going away from each other as would happen when you bake raison bread in an oven.

If I am stating the theory correctly, it would appear that whatever caused this expansion to occur caused the raisons to separate in a specific direction, i.e. away from each other, hence the expansion.

If I am understanding the BB Theory, whatever force at the beginning that caused this expansion of material to occur is the only force being described, maybe roughly described as the buckshot that would come out of a shotgun when the trigger was pulled.

So the question is, the trigger has allegedly been pulled, the particles are now expanding in a specific speed and direction. Newton said "...an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.'

What 'unbalanced force' is proposed to act upon these elements that would cause them to change their direction of separating and expanding and to then come together to somehow create planets?

Thanks - Gary
 
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Onehope said:
What 'unbalanced force' is proposed to act upon these elements that would cause them to change their direction of separating and expanding and to then come together to somehow create planets?

Gravity.
 
Onehope said:
If I understand what the BB Theory proposes, all the universe was originally confined to the size of something very small, like a dot or an atom. This small dot or atom or whatever was said to explode, although some say there was no explosion in the sense of a bomb going off, but would be more accurately described as everything began to expand like raisons going away from each other as would happen when you bake raison bread in an oven.

If I am stating the theory correctly, it would appear that whatever caused this expansion to occur caused the raisons to separate in a specific direction, i.e. away from each other, hence the expansion.

If I am understanding the BB Theory, whatever force at the beginning that caused this expansion of material to occur is the only force being described, maybe roughly described as the buckshot that would come out of a shotgun when the trigger was pulled.

So the question is, the trigger has allegedly been pulled, the particles are now expanding in a specific speed and direction. Newton said "...an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.'

What 'unbalanced force' is proposed to act upon these elements that would cause them to change their direction of separating and expanding and to then come together to somehow create planets?

Thanks - Gary
Basically, quantum fluctuations made it so that some regions were a tiny bit more dense than other regions. Gravity caused the denser regions to collapse.
 
Yes, quantum fluctuations in the primordial universe resulted in uneven energy distribution [density gradients] across the then observable universe which ultimately permitted gravity to initiate large [and small] scale stucture formation.
 

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