Big Bang Initial Size: Evidence & Technologies?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the initial size of the universe at the time of the Big Bang, exploring theories regarding whether it was smaller than an atom or larger than a baseball. Participants also question the evidence available to support these theories and the capabilities of current technology to obtain such evidence.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Big Bang was not an explosion, challenging the framing of the initial question.
  • There is a suggestion that current technology may not be able to provide evidence for the universe being smaller than a baseball, as the concept of a singularity is not fully described under current theories.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the motivations behind the original question and the understanding of the Big Bang, noting that the term "explosion" is a significant misunderstanding.
  • Another participant discusses the complexity of measuring "size" in the context of the early universe, emphasizing the extreme curvature of spacetime and the challenges in defining distances at that time.
  • There is a mention of the inflation phase of the universe, which is said to have flattened out the universe shortly after its initial creation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial size of the universe or the nature of the Big Bang. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the terminology and the evidence available.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the Big Bang singularity and the challenges in obtaining empirical evidence related to its initial conditions. The reliance on theoretical extrapolations and mathematical models is noted, along with the unresolved nature of these concepts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring cosmology, the Big Bang theory, and the philosophical implications of measuring the universe's initial conditions.

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I have not learned of any evidence that would help me decide between these two theories:

1. The big bang was an explosion of an object smaller than an atom.

2. The big bang was an explosion of an object larger than a base ball.

Does our current technology permit us to find such evidence?

Do you know of any such evidence?

Thank you for your help

Jim Adrian
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The big bang was not an explosion.
 
I would suggest you read about BB theory and inflationary cosmology a bit, the internet is full of useful references, including threads here on PF. As nicksauce said, it was not an explosion, so the evidence you're looking for is not extant.
 
I need to rephrase my question:

Does our current technology permit us to obtain evidence that the universe was ever smaller than a base ball?

Do you know of any such evidence?

Would you briefly describe any such evidence?Thank you for your help

Jim Adrian
 
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jamesadrian said:
I need to rephrase my question:

Does our current technology permit us to obtain evidence that the universe was ever smaller than a base ball?

Do you know of any such evidence?

Would you briefly describe any such evidence?Thank you for your help

Jim Adrian

These are matters of theory extrapolated from math, and from observations of an expanding homogeneous universe. You're talking about a BB singularity, something that is not yet described under current theories. I for one, would be curious as to why you're asking this, and how you understand the BB. You said explosion, and that is a fairly huge mistake.
 
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IcedEcliptic said:
These are matters of theory extrapolated from math, and from observations of an expanding homogeneous universe. You're talking about a BB singularity, something that is not yet described under current theories.

This answer is helpful and much appreciated.

IcedEcliptic said:
I for one, would be curious as to why you're asking this,

For a few years now, I have repeatedly seen on the History Channel one-hour and two hour presentations about the big bang. I have been irritated by what seems to be a number of statements and implications that I cannot infer from the evidence offered in these presentations. This last time, I went on the Internet to find a place like this to ask my unanswered question.

IcedEcliptic said:
...and how you understand the BB. You said explosion, and that is a fairly huge mistake.

I am not a physicist.

When something proves itself important to my business or life, I get some books and maybe take a course and all that stuff; but, I don't investigate that way if there is no compelling reason to do so. One does not investigate a crime without some hint that a crime may have been committed. I may yet become interested in physics enough to make a study of the big bang and all the public talk about it. The way I currently understand the big bang (only from these presentations) is that it was the source of everything we see, and that it was initially very small.

I appreciate this source of answers and discussion. I have always been able to say 50 words about anything I have seriously studied. I assume there are others who also can do this about physics. You have done this for me.

Thank you for your answer. There is nothing like a good answer to inspire interest.

Jim Adrian
 
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Jim,

Your question of the initial "size" of the universe is a interesting one. "Size" as we know it is the spatial distance between two point. Now how we measure that distance is with a standard. In daily life, we use a ruler. In the space time, we use a metric. The metric of the modern universe, far from intense gravitation sources is nearly flat: one meter here is one meter there. In the early universe, there was extreme curvature of the metric. So to define a distance at creation is almost pointless (sorry for the obvious pun). The universe, as best we can determine began as a singularity. The evidence points to period shortly after the initial creation of rapid expansion that flatted out the universe, removing nearly all curvature from the universe (known as the inflation phase), making the universe safe for rulers.

Hope that helps.

James
 

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