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I was just throwing that idea out there I suppose. Like a good buddy of mine once said, 'I'm pretty sure the physics works out.'
Big bang , physical constants , possibilities
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The discussion centers on the origins of the universe and the nature of physical laws following the Big Bang. It questions how the universe could evolve from a hot, dense state to its current form while adhering to specific physical laws that seemingly emerged simultaneously with the universe itself. Participants express skepticism about the ability to assign definitive states (A and B) to the universe without empirical evidence, emphasizing that much of the conversation is philosophical rather than scientific. The concept of symmetry breaking in particle physics is introduced, suggesting that the laws governing forces like electromagnetism and the weak force may have been predetermined by initial conditions. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the speculative nature of understanding the universe's early states and the laws that govern its evolution.
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ryan albery said:
Well, keep in mind that personal speculation is seriously frowned on here.
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Yeah, I do understand that speculation on this forum unacceptable, but I don't think either of you guys understood what I was trying to say- in regards to the original question of this post.
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ryan albery said:
Since we clearly don't understand what you were saying, I'd have to agree that we didn't understand what in meant in regards to the OP.
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phinds said:Please don't do things that make me agree w/ Drakkith. I hate agreeing with him
I wonder... can we "fix" you more than once? I don't know, but I'm willing to try.
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ryan albery, what Drakkith is referring to is my avatar. He thinks I'm actually a dog. I've tried to explain to him that dogs can't type but he doesn't get it. He thinks I'm unusually smart. For a dog.
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Physics is reality, by definition, that's all I'm trying to say... for being a dog.
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phinds said:
I don't remember ever discussing your mental aptitude.
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as much as I know phinds from being on this forum his not only smart his also sarcastic on many occasions , how does that go together with the description of a dog? He also has an avatar of a white polar bear , probably an alter ego for a dog. :D
Now that you are done trying to find something funny about my infantile jokes,..
Back on the topic, I would somehow like to agree to what ryan allbery said , and quite frankly not that he is the first one who has ever said this , I think the idea is as old as everyting around us.
Yet the question is perfectly legit I think, how does a universe or space time while being literally created on spot and rapidly changing evolving and all kinds of things and yet it falls just into the right proportions etc so that we can look now back at it and say , a universe was born and yet here we are.
Without the assumption that the laws must have come if not before it as tere were no time hence no space then atleast , well ok this is the tricky part , how do the laws come before the space time itself?
Well normally when we build something we always make schematics and calculations first and only then we do it otherwise nothing but chaos comes out , but it's hard to apply such terminalogy to the birth of the universe as if there was no time before it then nothing could have been made or changed or etc.Yet somehow in the context of the universe the laws happened to fall out just right on the spot together with the mass and space itself so that all could form as we see it.
After all I said , try to think about it assuming no God , any metaphysical force involved, any previous universes etc etc , assume the best model we have for now , assume nothing before it, sounds kinda weird doesn't it?
Now that you are done trying to find something funny about my infantile jokes,..
Back on the topic, I would somehow like to agree to what ryan allbery said , and quite frankly not that he is the first one who has ever said this , I think the idea is as old as everyting around us.
Yet the question is perfectly legit I think, how does a universe or space time while being literally created on spot and rapidly changing evolving and all kinds of things and yet it falls just into the right proportions etc so that we can look now back at it and say , a universe was born and yet here we are.
Without the assumption that the laws must have come if not before it as tere were no time hence no space then atleast , well ok this is the tricky part , how do the laws come before the space time itself?
Well normally when we build something we always make schematics and calculations first and only then we do it otherwise nothing but chaos comes out , but it's hard to apply such terminalogy to the birth of the universe as if there was no time before it then nothing could have been made or changed or etc.Yet somehow in the context of the universe the laws happened to fall out just right on the spot together with the mass and space itself so that all could form as we see it.
After all I said , try to think about it assuming no God , any metaphysical force involved, any previous universes etc etc , assume the best model we have for now , assume nothing before it, sounds kinda weird doesn't it?