Bigger the molecule the more polarizable

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The discussion revolves around the concept of polarizability in molecules, particularly in relation to the size and structure of different molecular species. Participants explore how molecular size, bond types, and electron cloud characteristics influence polarizability, with specific examples provided for analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that H2CCH2 is less polarizable than H3CCH3 based on the number of electrons and bond types, but questions the correctness of this conclusion based on the answer key.
  • Another participant defines polarizability as the effort needed to distort a molecule's electron cloud.
  • It is proposed that a larger electron cloud is more polarizable, leading to the assertion that H2CCH2 should be less polarizable than H3CCH3.
  • A participant discusses the comparison between sigma and pi bonds, noting that H2CCH2 contains both while H3CCH3 contains only sigma bonds, suggesting this may influence their polarizability.
  • One participant emphasizes that polarizability is more about how tightly electrons are held to the nuclei rather than just the number of electrons, using iodine and fluorine as examples to illustrate this point.
  • It is noted that electrons in pi bonds are less tightly held and therefore more polarizable compared to those in sigma bonds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the polarizability of H2CCH2 and H3CCH3, with some arguing that size and bond type influence the expected trend, while others challenge this reasoning. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the first pair of molecules and the factors affecting their polarizability.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various factors influencing polarizability, including bond types and electron cloud characteristics, but do not reach a consensus on the implications for specific molecular pairs. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and interpretations regarding the definitions and relationships involved.

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Homework Statement



Which is less polarizable in each of the following groups?

1) H2CCH2 or H3CCH3

2) CH4 or C2H6

3) Na+ or Na

4) Sb3- or S2-

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Polarizability is affected by the number of electrons, the distance of the electrons from the nuclear charge, and molecular orientation, although we're not considering this factor. So basically the bigger the molecule the more polarizable.

The Attempt at a Solution



1) I think it's H2CCH2 rather than H3CCH3 because the latter has more electrons attached to the carbons, and the C-H bond is non-polar. Having more electrons will only make the molecule bigger and more polarizable. This, however, is wrong according to the key, and this makes no sense, as the line of reasoning I'm using works with all the other molecules.

Also the former has a double bond between its central carbons and double bonds are shorter than single bonds and that would make the former more compact than the latter.

2) CH4 is less polarizable. CH4 and the other hydrocarbon are both non-polar, but the latter is bigger, so it's easier to be distorted. Correct according to the key.

3) Cations are smaller than their respective anions and also neutral species. So Na+ is less polarizable. Size matters. Correct again.

4) Sb3- and S2- - there's no comparison. Sb is rows below S in the periodic table. S2- is way smaller than Sb3- so therefore S2- is less polarizable. Again, correct. Size matters.

Is the key wrong on the first one? Or am I missing a factor here?
 
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I'll answer your question with a question: what does polarized mean?
 
Polarizability refers to the effort needed to distort a molecule's electron cloud.
 
How might the physical size of the electron cloud affect a molecule's polarizability?
 
Ygggdrasil said:
How might the physical size of the electron cloud affect a molecule's polarizability?

A bigger cloud is more polarizable.

By this logic, of the choices in the first pair:

1) H2CCH2 or H3CCH3

H2CCH2 should be less polarizable than H3CCH3.
 
How do you think the polarizability of sigma bonds and pi bonds compare?
 
Sigma bonds are single bonds and sigma bonds are also stronger bonds due to the side-to-side (spooning) overlap. Pi bonds are weaker.

H2CCH2 is composed of sigma and pi bonds while H3CCH3 is composed entirely of sigma bonds. H2CCH2 has a sigma and a pi bond connecting the double-bonded central carbon atoms.

I'm supposing that the sigma/pi bond factor here explains why the two molecules don't follow the trend you'd expect them to looking at size alone, right?
 
In general, the polarizability of electrons is not due to the number of electrons in an element, but in how tightly held those electrons are to the nuclei. Large atoms like iodine are polarizable not because they contain many electrons but because the outer electrons are much farther away from the nucleus than the electrons in an element like fluorine, so it's easier for external electric forces to influence the position of those electrons.

In a sigma bond, the electrons are tightly held in the space between the two nuclei involved in a bond. The electrons in a pi bond, however, lie outside of the internuclear axis, are on average farther away from the nuclei, are less tightly held by the nuclei, and are therefore more polarizable.
 

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