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The discussion highlights significant security issues surrounding Bitcoin exchanges, particularly focusing on the infamous Mt. Gox, which suffered a major theft leading to its bankruptcy. The exchange's management ignored critical warnings about its software's security flaws, resulting in millions lost and a tarnished reputation for Bitcoin. Other exchanges like Flexcoin and Canadian Bitcoins also reported substantial losses due to hacks and social engineering attacks. The conversation underscores the ongoing risks associated with Bitcoin transactions and the need for improved security measures in the cryptocurrency space. Overall, these incidents illustrate the vulnerabilities within the Bitcoin ecosystem that can lead to significant financial losses for users.
  • #691
Vanadium 50 said:
The bridge seems to be a classic case of solving the wrong problem.

The problem is you have zillions of illiquid cryptocurrencies. Like 100x as many as national currencies, Proping up the system is unhelpful. Propping it up in a manner that permits fraud doubly so.

If I wanted to exchange Iranian Riols for Vietnamese Dong, I would probably have to go through a major currency like Euros or Yen. Annoying, yes, but is this really a problem?
I think you're missing what "the problem" is here. For crypto believers, The Problem is always fiat currencies. This bridge solves that problem.

Now, another way to solve that problem would certainly be to adopt a single cryptocurrency, but I'm not sure crypto believers want that. I think they should, but I'm skeptical of what the believers actually believe/want.
 
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  • #692
Cryptocurriencies are fiat currencies. Thy just have different people doing the fiating.

The people involved fall into three categories:
1. People who want to buy and sell illegal products.
2. People who dislike the gubmint on principle.
3. Peopler who hope to srrike it rich, possibly by sketchy means.

All have reasons to want to avoid government oversight, but not the same ones.
 
  • #693
Amazing fact - there are 20x as much BTC in circulation as USD in physical circulation.
 
  • #694
If all the BTC transactions in the world were for goods and services, the GDP of Bitcoinistan would be between that of the Federated States of Micronesia and the Republic of the Marshall Islands.

Neither of which have their own currency.
 
  • #695
Vanadium 50 said:
Cryptocurriencies are fiat currencies. Thy just have different people doing the fiating.
Ok, I guess I've fallen for cryptobro parlance/spin. How about "government sponsored currencies"?
Amazing fact - there are 20x as much BTC in circulation as USD in physical circulation.
That's a weird comparison.
 
  • #696
For some definition of physical, there are no btc in circulation...
 
  • #697
There’s a wild theory that the price of Bitcoin is being propped up—and the academic who proved manipulation in 2017 suspects it may be happening again
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wild-theory-price-bitcoin-being-110000608.html

As Griffin and Amin Shams, then a doctoral candidate at McCombs who’s joined Griffin in several gumshoe investigations, screened for misdeeds in 2017, they were fascinated to see that a little-known token that’s supposed to be backed one-for-one to the dollar was getting printed in large quantities. That clue led the pair to another: When new batches appeared, the price of Bitcoin seemed to jump. It looked like someone, or a group, was using that freshly printed “free money” to inflate Bitcoin’s price for their own profit. He and his coauthor Shams sifted through an incredible 200 gigabytes of trading data, equal to the troves that the Smithsonian Institution collects in two years, and followed sales and purchases from 2.5 million separate wallets.

In 2018, they coauthored a groundbreaking study showing that a single, still unidentified, Bitcoin “whale” almost single-handedly drove the token’s giant run-up in late 2017 and early 2018 by distorting the trading in the token.

Toward the end of 2022, another mystifying trend caught Griffin’s eye. Despite the crypto crash and myriad other negative forces, every time Bitcoin briefly breached the $16,000 floor, it bounced above that level and kept stubbornly trading between $16,000 and $17,000. Almost unbelievably, as the crypto market has continued to unravel into 2023, Bitcoin has gone in the opposite direction, trading up 35% since Jan. 7 to $23,000.

“It’s very suspicious,” Griffin told Fortune. “The same mechanism we saw in 2017 could be at play now in the still unreal Bitcoin market.”
Interesting read. It would appear some actors are manipulating Bitcoin - in the open.
 
  • #698
Is it even illgal to do that? (And isn't part of the point of crypto to get away from all those icky laws and regulations?)
 
  • #699
Office_Shredder said:
A cross chain bridge is basically an atm for crypto. If you have bitcoin and you want ethereum, one way to do that is sell your bitcoin for dollars, then buy ethereum with dollars, all on a centralized exchange. That's annoying, so the exchanges will do you one better and let you trade bitcoin for ethereum directly. But using an exchange sucks (see ftx). A cross chain bridge is a decentralized protocol that works kind of like any crypto thing works - the rules are well defined, and everyone agrees on what operation is happening. The operation in this case is you can send bitcoin to an address, and specify where you want your ethereum, and it willsend ethereum to you. To support this is needs a pot of ethereum (and bitcoin, since it permits moves both ways). Investors put their coins "in the bridge", and the bridge makes money by charging you a fee for your transfer.

Of course i haven't said what the relative value of ethereum and bitcoin is on this bridge. They usually just look at on- exchange trading I believe (I'm a bit fuzzy on how this actually works in practice in a decentralized way). The traditional way to hack a bridge is to manipulate on exchange trading prices, and then do a big swap at a price that everyone agrees is dumb, but the bridge doesn't know that.

Bitcoin and ethereum are actually a really bad example for this - You want to pick a really illiquid alt coin that's worth nothing, buy a bunch, then manipulate the price up, then swap is at a bridge for bitcoin.

I'm very much an amateur so the details here are questionable, but I think this is the broad stroke description of what is happening. I believe there are other attacks that look more like real hacks, where you carefully understand the protocol and figure out some way that the bridge will get confused by what ratio to swap at.
I don't think that's what a cross chain bridge is. What you describe relates more to a liquidity pool.
From what I understood, a cross chain bridge is a system to convert, say your bitcoins on the Bitcoin's blockchain, to something equivalent (i.e. pegged 1 to 1 with BTC) on another blockchain. Sometimes they share the same name but they are definitely not quite the same. This is achieved by the use of smart contracts (i.e. computer codes having nasty exploitable bugs), and liquidity pools.
 
  • #700
  • Four new charges against Sam Bankman-Fried were unsealed on Thursday.
  • Prosecutors say FTX.US was denied opening a California bank account as it wasn't a licensed money services business.
  • So SBF created a new company to take customer deposits, an indictment says.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/prosecutors-sam-bankman-fried-helped-170639354.html

When a California bank refused to give FTX an account in early 2020 because it wasn't registered as a money services business, prosecutors say that Sam Bankman-Fried started a new company to skirt that prohibition, and subsequently made false statements on a due dilligence questionnaire.

The allegations form part of new charges against Bankman-Fried unsealed this week for conspiracy to commit bank fraud, and conspiracy to operate an unlicensed money-transmitting business – two of four new counts that were made public Thursday. The bank's name was not revealed in the court filing.

While the company didn't appear to have any links to FTX or its sister hedge fund, Alameda, the SEC said "Bankman-Fried had directed FTX to have customers send funds to North Dimension in an effort to hide the fact that the funds were being sent to an account controlled by Alameda."

APNews - FTX’s Bankman-Fried faces new charges in updated indictment
https://apnews.com/article/technolo...nts-business-ceb821b5cd36052bf146c2119ca7f1dd
 
  • #701
I have to say, it seems like a massive know your customer failure by the bank that retail customers sent 8 billion dollars to his proprietary trading firm account without them noticing...
 
  • #702
It was wgar, $8B? That would generate a revenue stream in the many tens of millions. I'm sure the moment they opened up the account they also started a file titled "We Couldn't Possibly Have Known."
 
  • #703
Vanadium 50 said:
It was wgar, $8B? That would generate a revenue stream in the many tens of millions. I'm sure the moment they opened up the account they also started a file titled "We Couldn't Possibly Have Known."

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if it turns out the bank's salesperson recommended this workaround.
 
  • #704
That's the kind of thinking that turns a branch manager into a VP.
 
  • #705
And speaking of KYC, there is the other side of that coin, AML: anti-money laundering. If someone takes dollars, turns it into crypto and uses it to pay someone to, say, whack his mother-in-law, and then that person turns the crypto into dollars, the Feds have a reasonable case that crypto exists to do money laundering.

This would not be good news for the owners of crypto.
 
  • #706
Interesting article in the Feb 25th - March 3rd issue of the The Economist titled Crypto-heist. The full article is behind a paywall, but most libraries have the magazine. Excerpt from the article:

Despite being unable to feed its people, North Korea has found innovative ways to fund its missiles programme, including by forging foreign currency, committing insurance fraud and making and selling arms and narcotics. A more novel revenue stream is stolen cryptocurrency. Last year its hackers pinched a record $1.7bn of the stuff, according to a report published this month by Chainalysis, a data firm based in New York.

Further bad news for the owners of crypto.
 
  • #707
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/28/investing/nishad-singh-ftx-guilty-plea/index.html
Former director of engineering at FTX Nishad Singh pleads guilty to criminal charges
Singh was selected to be the face of the left-leaning donations, the prosecutors allege. Bankman-Fried conspired to contribute “at least a million dollars” to a super PAC that was supporting a candidate running for a United States Congressional seat and appeared to be affiliated with pro-LGBTQ issues, the indictment says.

A political consultant working for Bankman-Fried allegedly asked Singh to make the contribution, telling him, “In general, you being the center left face of our spending will mean you giving to a lot of woke sh*t for transactional purposes.”
https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-40
SEC Charges Nishad Singh with Defrauding Investors in Crypto Asset Trading Platform FTX

Yes, it seems this was all just a calculated confidence game for all points of view, personal and political.
 
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  • #709
Money laundering? I'm shocked. Shocked!
 
  • #710

https://www.streetinsider.com/dr/news.php?id=21323004

Crypto firms behind Tether used falsified documents to maintain banking system access - WSJ​

March 3, 2023 1:36 PM
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According to a Wall Street Journal report on Friday, crypto firms behind Tether used falsified documents and shell companies to get bank accounts.
According to the report, documents show that in late 2018, companies behind Tether struggled to maintain access to the global banking system, resulting in some of their backers turning to "shadowy intermediaries, falsified documents, and shell companies to get back in."
In an email from Stephen Moore, one of the owners of Tether Holdings Ltd, viewed by the WSJ, one of the intermediaries, a major tether trader in China, was revealed to be trying to bypass the banking system by "providing fake sales invoices and contracts for each deposit and withdrawal."
Tether, which according to WSJ sources, has been under investigation by the US justice department, runs the $71 billion stablecoin tether, and a sister company runs Bitfinex, one of the largest crypto exchanges.
 
  • #711
lol. . .Nowadays, I'm not asking which crypto firms engage in fraud, but which DON'T?!
 
  • #712
People can do themselves a favor and just get rich slow: $VOO ...DCA for 30-40 years....retire rich.

Even $BRK (Class B shares for us mere mortals) is fine.
 
  • #713
kyphysics said:
lol. . .Nowadays, I'm not asking which crypto firms engage in fraud, but which DON'T?!
Schrodinger's Crypto Exchange.
 
  • #717
“Please note you are solely responsible for the security of your email, your passwords, your 2FA codes, and your devices,” Coinbase allegedly told Ferguson in an email.

He argued that the company’s response to the alleged theft “disclaimed any responsibility for the hacking of its customers’ accounts,” and that its security practices fail to notice and stop “obviously fraudulent” transactions.
Of course we are responsible, but what if it is HACKED? Credit cards will take the loss if you report a stolen/lost card and there were unauthorized purchases. You don't have to pay for them.

If this guy's money was taken out using an IP address NEVER associated with his account and he reported this quickly, it seems reasonable to think he's telling the truth.
 
  • #718
There is an ongoing hack with the Myalgo wallet. It's a web browser ''wallet'' for Algorand. To me, it looks like an insider job. Supposedly your private keys aren't supposed to leave your machine when interacting with the website, but people who interacted with it are getting their wallets drained. As if a dev had modified the closed source code of myalgo, to retrieve the private keys of people connecting to it. Pretty disgusting, if you ask me.
 
  • #719
USDC, a stablecoin (non algorithmic), is losing its peg to the USD.
DAI, an algorithmic stablecoin, is also losing its peg to the USD. I think this is related to the bankrupt of a crypto friendly bank in Sillycoin Valley.
 
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  • #720
fluidistic said:
a stablecoin ... is losing its peg to the USD.
Obviously a new definition of the word "stable" of which I was previously unaware.