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The discussion revolves around questions related to black holes, specifically their formation, characteristics, and the implications of their properties such as rotation and size. Participants explore theoretical aspects of black holes, including angular momentum, event horizons, and the nature of singularities.

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  • One participant questions whether the rotation of a black hole increases as it forms from a collapsing star and if this rotation approaches the speed of light, or if the concept of rotation becomes irrelevant due to space warping.
  • Another participant clarifies that the size of a black hole is defined by its event horizon, which depends on the mass of the black hole, suggesting that more massive black holes have larger event horizons.
  • A different participant notes that a black hole is described by three values: mass, angular momentum, and charge, with the event horizon's shape being influenced by angular momentum and charge.
  • One participant introduces a perspective on the density of black holes, suggesting that the time of collapse influences their characteristics and that black holes continue to gain mass after formation.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of rotation and size of black holes, with some clarifying definitions while others raise questions about the nature of these properties. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between rotation and the characteristics of black holes.

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There are assumptions about the nature of singularities and the definitions of event horizons that may not be universally accepted. The discussion also touches on the temporal aspects of black hole formation and density, which could vary based on different theoretical frameworks.

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Ok, these may be silly questions, but when learning new things I figure you won't know if you don't ask. So here goes:

1. When a star goes supernova and the core collapses into a neutron star, the new star spins fast to conserve angular momentum (I think) and it rotates rapidly. Well if that star is sufficently massive to continue its collapse into a BH, does the rotation increase as well? And wouldn't that mean that the BH created would rotate at an extreme rate almost approaching c? Or is it that the warping of space around the BH is such that the meaning of "rotation" is not applicable any longer?

2. Would all BHs be the same "size"? If they all collapse into a point of zero dimensions, it shouldn't matter how much mass is in it because zero dimensions is zero dimensions. The only difference of effect would be the remaining gravitational pull of the mass that originally created the BH.
 
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Second question first. The size of a black hole is generally considered to be the size of the Event Horizon (EH), which is the distance from center at which escape velocity > c (where the "black" begins). The distance at which this happens is dependent upon the strength of the gravitational field, which is of course dependent upon the mass of central object (the singularity). So, a more massive BH is much "bigger" than a less massive one, in terms of the radius of the EH, often refferred to as the Schwartschild Radius. But you are correct to say that the object at the center should be the same size for all BH's, assuming they do indeed collapse to a point of zero dimensions.
 
After collapse there are just three values that completely describe a BH. Mass, angular momentum and charge. The radius is related to the charge, so it doesn't enter separately. The angular momentum remains. It, and the charge effect the shape of the event horizon. You might find some perdy pictures if you google Kerr Solution and stuff like that.

(to be complete, you really need a few more values to describle a black hole, like it's position in space, but these values never seem to quoted.)

LURCH said:
Second question first. The size of a black hole is generally considered to be the size of the Event Horizon (EH), which is the distance from center at which escape velocity > c (where the "black" begins).

I understood the event horizon to be that (imaginary) boundary for which any particle within the boundary could not escape to infinity.
 
since black holes keep on getting denser (unless you believe that jargon in the NULLPHYSICS) book, it depends on the time that they collapse. look at it like this" neutron star A collapses at time 0, then neutron star collapses at time 2, both turn into black holes. Both black holes will keep on collapsing upon themselves at the "same" speed. So, at time n, black hole a will be however many tons it gained in the first two seconds before star B collapsed. this is assuming that they collpase at the "same" rate
 

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