Bohr's Correspondence Principle

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The discussion revolves around the Bohr model of the hydrogen atom, specifically focusing on the frequency of revolution of an electron in circular orbits and its relationship to emitted radiation frequencies. Participants are examining the implications of large quantum numbers on these frequencies.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the energy of a photon and its relation to the frequency of revolution. There is an exploration of asymptotic behavior as quantum number n approaches infinity, with some questioning the validity of simplifications made in calculations.

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Some participants have provided insights into the behavior of energy differences at large n and suggested using Taylor expansion for more accurate approximations. There is ongoing clarification regarding the relationship between frequency and energy, with various interpretations being explored.

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Participants note that the original poster did not provide the details of Eq. (39.5), which is relevant to the discussion. There is also mention of homework constraints that may limit the methods available for solving the problem.

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Homework Statement


(a) Show that in the Bohr model, the frequency of revo-lution of an electron in its circular orbit around a stationary hydrogen nucleus is f = me4/4ε02n3h3 (b) In classical physics, the frequency of revolution of the electron is equal to the frequency of the radiation that it emits. Show that when n is very large, the fre-quency of revolution does indeed equal the radiated frequency cal-culated from Eq. (39.5) for a transition from n1 = n + 1 to n2 = n.

Homework Equations


v = e2/2ε0nh
r = ε0n2h2/πme2

The Attempt at a Solution


I managed to solve part (a). But for part (b), I'm not sure how to find the energy of the photon. I tried
E = -13.6eV (1/n2 - 1/(n+1)2) which I expanded to get
E = -13.6eV ((2n+1)/n2(n+1)2) but doesn't this tend to 0 as n approaches infinity? Since E = hf this implies that f tends to 0 as well? Does anybody know how to prove the relationship in part (b)? Thanks! :)
 
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little neutrino said:
but doesn't this tend to 0 as n approaches infinity?
That's the asymptotic value of ##\Delta E##, however the problem asks you to calculate the behavior of this quantity when ##n## is very large, therefore it must still contain ##n## in its expression. Consider incorporating the inequality ##n\gg 1## in the last equation.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
That's the asymptotic value of ##\Delta E##, however the problem asks you to calculate the behavior of this quantity when ##n## is very large, therefore it must still contain ##n## in its expression. Consider incorporating the inequality ##n\gg 1## in the last equation.

Hmm, if n >> 1, then the numerator 2n + 1 = 2n and the denominator n2(n+1)2 = n4. After simplifying this, I get the answer. But I'm still a bit confused; if I directly substitute n+1 = n (since n>>1) for the initial expression 1/n2 - 1/(n+1)2, won't I just get 0? :/
 
little neutrino said:
Hmm, if n >> 1, then the numerator 2n + 1 = 2n and the denominator n2(n+1)2 = n4. After simplifying this, I get the answer. But I'm still a bit confused; if I directly substitute n+1 = n (since n>>1) for the initial expression 1/n2 - 1/(n+1)2, won't I just get 0? :/
The proper way to go about this problem is actually by employing Taylor expansion. The exact equation of ##\Delta E## can be rewritten as
$$
\Delta E = \frac{13.6}{n^2}\left(1-\frac{1}{(1+1/n)^2}\right)
$$
Now since ##n\gg 1##, the second term in the bracket can be expanded into power series (or more accurately, binomial series),
$$
(1+1/n)^{-2} = 1-\frac{2}{n}+\frac{3}{n^2}-\ldots
$$
Truncating this series up to the second term and substituting it into ##\Delta E## will give you the same answer.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
The proper way to go about this problem is actually by employing Taylor expansion. The exact equation of ##\Delta E## can be rewritten as
$$
\Delta E = \frac{13.6}{n^2}\left(1-\frac{1}{(1+1/n)^2}\right)
$$
Now since ##n\gg 1##, the second term in the bracket can be expanded into power series (or more accurately, binomial series),
$$
(1+1/n)^{-2} = 1-\frac{2}{n}+\frac{3}{n^2}-\ldots
$$
Truncating this series up to the second term and substituting it into ##\Delta E## will give you the same answer.

Ohhh I see. Thanks so much! :)
 
I can't tell you anything about Eq. (39.5) as you didn't tell us what it is! But if it is just showing that you go to an inverse cubic relation for high n, then you have nearly done it in the OP - that expression does tend to inverse cube as n gets high (not needing anything so advanced is a Taylor series).

And for your question doesn't f tend to 0, well it's Δf not f - and tending to 0 is exactly what it does do and is seen in the spectra - the lines get closer and closer together. Σ Δf is convergent, so there is a definite limit (corresponding to the escape velocity in classical physics) and the higher spectral lines crowd towards this.
 

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