Born oppenheimer approximation vs adiabatic approximation

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The discussion centers around the Born-Oppenheimer approximation and its relationship to the adiabatic approximation within the context of quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to hydrogen ion problems. Participants explore the meanings of "adiabatic" in different contexts and seek clarification on the applications of these concepts in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of "adiabatic" in quantum mechanics and its connection to the Born-Oppenheimer approximation.
  • Another participant provides links to Wikipedia articles that explain the Born-Oppenheimer approximation and the adiabatic theorem, suggesting these resources may clarify the concepts.
  • A participant notes that the term "adiabatic" has different meanings in thermodynamics and molecular quantum mechanics, emphasizing the context-dependent nature of the term.
  • One participant reflects on their initial distrust of Wikipedia but acknowledges the usefulness of the information found in the articles.
  • A participant agrees with the interpretation of "adiabatic" as relating to isolation from the environment, while questioning why the Born-Oppenheimer approximation is synonymous with the adiabatic approximation in quantum mechanics.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the term "adiabatic" across different contexts. There is no consensus on the specific reasons for the equivalence of the Born-Oppenheimer approximation and the adiabatic approximation in quantum mechanics, indicating ongoing exploration and debate.

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Participants highlight the differences in the meaning of "adiabatic" in thermodynamics versus molecular physics, suggesting that the definitions may depend on the specific context being discussed. There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of these definitions for the Born-Oppenheimer approximation.

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I'm learning to deal with h2+ (hydrogen ion) problems and the like, which sure entails the infamous born oppenheimer approximation .
i know the word "adiabatic" in a thermal sense, that is , an adiabatic process is the one in which no heat transfer occurs between the things of question and surroundings.
but , I don't quite understand that in quantum mechanics ,how the notion of "adiabatic" enters the story, say, in particular born oppenheimer approximation and adiabatic approximation is synonym .
it's said that the notion of adiabatic has a lots of applications in many branches of physics, would anyone please but tell me some of them?

many thanks in advance :D
 
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Adiabatic in thermodynamics has a different meaning than in molecular quantum mechanics.
In greek it signifies "no passage" or "no trespassing", however who or what is not passing is different in different contexts:
On a greek airport, it is persons, in thermodynamic it is heat and in molecular physics it is no passing from one potential energy surface (electronic state) to the other.
 
many thanks first! I got to apologize for delayed reply .
Actually I'd took a glance at the wiki's explanation contained in the first link before I put up
this question here. I usually distrust wiki. However, The second link is quite helpful. I'm reading it now while typing message to you . Seems like even serious science stuffs in wiki can be trusted sometimes.
regards :D
 
THanks very much for your reply. I think your interpretation of adiabatic hit the spot. I guess adiabatic ,roughly speaking , pretty much has to do with an isolation from the environment in a certain form. but it still remains to us the question why in particular born oppenheimer approximation is another name for adiabatic approximation in quantum mechanical sense .
cheers,
 

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