Boulder being pulled up by a chain. Find max acceleration

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The problem involves a boulder being raised from a depth of 150 m using a chain, with specific constraints on maximum tension. Participants are exploring the maximum acceleration the boulder can achieve without breaking the chain.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the maximum force based on the weight of the chain and the boulder, leading to a derived maximum acceleration. Some participants question discrepancies in the force values used in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the calculations related to maximum tension and acceleration. There is an ongoing inquiry about how to determine the time required for the boulder to be lifted at maximum acceleration, with suggestions for using kinematic equations.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the units and values used in the calculations, as well as the initial conditions for the motion of the boulder.

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Homework Statement



A 800 kg boulder is raised from a quarry 150 m deep by a long uniform chain having a mass of 580 kg. This chain is of uniform strength, but at any point it can support a maximum tension no greater than 2.90 times its weight without breaking.

What is the maximum acceleration the boulder can have and still get out of the quarry?

How long does it take to be lifted out at maximum acceleration if it started from rest?

THE MAX ACCELERATION IS 2.14

How do I find time?

Homework Equations



f=ma, one of the kinematic equations for the second question

The Attempt at a Solution


The max force is is the weight of the chain*2.9 = 16483.6

The weight of the system is (chain*9.8)+(boulder*9.8) = 13524

I'm not sure where to go with these numbers. The weight of the system would be pointing down. So something with the tension would be the force going up. How do I find the tension, and then move to acceleration?
EDIT EDIT EDIT: The tension to hold up the boulder = the weight of the boulder and chain. So I did (Max tension - tension value)=18483.6 - 13524=2959.6

2959.6 is the force you can have for the system to work. So 2959.6/(mass of the boulder and chain) = 2959.6/1380 = 2.14

Is 2.14 right?
 
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In one place you write that the maximum force is 16483.6 (no units given so I suppose we are in penguins/cubic banana as usual).
Later on we use the value 18483.6. So a little discrepancy has crept in.
 
Wobble said:
How do I find time?

You can use the equation X=X0 + V0*t + 1/2*a*t2
Since you know the initial distance and initial velocity are 0, you solve for just X=1/2*a*t2

You know X and a. Just rearrange and solve for t.
 
delta X = Vot + 1/2 at^2. Vo is 0.
 

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