Bouncing Ball Conservation of Energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of energy in the context of bouncing balls, specifically examining how mass affects energy loss during bounces. Participants explore various factors influencing energy retention and loss, including material properties, air resistance, and assumptions in virtual lab simulations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes that heavier balls seem to lose total energy more quickly than lighter balls during bounces, attributing this to energy transfer into heat and air resistance.
  • Another participant suggests that the elasticity of the ball's material plays a significant role, noting that different types of balls (e.g., hollow vs. solid) can behave differently despite differences in mass.
  • A third participant explains that during a bounce, kinetic energy is converted to elastic potential energy, and heavier balls may compress more, potentially leading to greater energy losses to heat.
  • However, a different viewpoint argues that the premise that heavier balls lose energy quicker is not universally true, suggesting that heavier objects may actually experience less energy loss due to air resistance and may bounce better if made from resilient materials.
  • A new question is posed about the potential impact of a small bouncing ball dropped from a height, indicating a shift in focus to practical applications of the discussed concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between mass and energy loss in bouncing balls, with no consensus reached on whether heavier balls lose energy more quickly than lighter ones. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effects of mass and material properties on energy conservation during bounces.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the results may depend on specific assumptions made in virtual lab simulations, and factors such as material elasticity and air resistance are highlighted as significant variables that could influence outcomes.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in physics, particularly those exploring concepts related to energy conservation, material properties, and experimental design in virtual labs.

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I have just recently completed a lab in Conservation of Energy. My course is through correspondence, so my labs are virtual. I noticed that the heavier the ball was, the haters the total energy dropped as the ball continued to bounce. Now I understand that energy can be transferred into many different things (heat, sound etc...), and would have to overcome air resistance. Assuming that all properties of each ball where the same, except for mass; Why does the heavier ball lose total energy quicker than the lighter ball?
 
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Part of this depends on how elastic is the material that the ball is made of. Is it a compound ball, such a hollow ball filled with air inside (air is very elastic)? A billiard ball is heaver than a rubber ball, but will retain more energy per bounce than some types of rubber balls if the billiard ball is bounced on a hard enough surface.
 
gbaby370 said:
Assuming that all properties of each ball where the same, except for mass; Why does the heavier ball lose total energy quicker than the lighter ball?
During the bounce, the kinetic energy of the ball is converted into elastic potential of the ball, and then back to the kinetic energy. To store more kinetic energy in elastic potential, you need to compress the ball more. That should make sense intuitive as well. All other things being equal, you expect heavier ball to compress more during the bounce. That typically results in greater losses of energy to heat.

On the other hand, the air resistance doesn't depend on mass, so energy lost to drag is going to be exactly the same, and so proportionally lower for heavier ball. But it's a very minor effect for this experiment.
 
gbaby370 said:
Why does the heavier ball lose total energy quicker than the lighter ball?

This is not true in general. The amount of energy lost at each bounce will depend on many factors. The simulation (?) you happen to be using is making some assumptions that you may not be aware of. In general, you usually find quite the reverse because air resistance becomes less relevant for heavy objects and 'good bouncers' tend to be heavy and made with a very resilient and low loss material. Ball bearings on a steel plate are 'heavy' but go on bouncing for ages.
Re-examine the data that your virtual lab uses.
 
I have a new bouncing ball question. Seems to fit in this category... If a bouncing ball, about the size you would find in a vending machine (roughly 1 inch in diameter) was dropped from a 30 floor balcony, would it break the windscreen of a car?
 

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